F: Frame Coil Over Damper

greg brillus

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My pick for new shocks on a stock Vincent........Either an Ikon or new Maughans one on the rear, the Ikon is quite stiff in action but works fine. On the front a new Maughans one is perfect.......they are soft in action like an original but dont leak. The Avo's work fine although they dont look original, i found them to be ok on a twin but way too stiff for a Single. The new Ikon is too stiff for the front of either a twin or single.......Original Koni's work well on the rear and one that is reasonably soft will be fine on the front.......If you wish to soften the ride of your bike, the first thing to do is check the springs front and rear.......many bikes still have the duel springs per side at the front........way over sprung.......on the rear many bikes have sidecar springs in the cases........rear springs that have a wire diameter of about 0.325" are sidecar ones and way too stiff........solo springs should be around 0.300" wire.........these 2 items are very common on these bikes........Cheers.
 

Jim Bush

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......many bikes still have the duel springs per side at the front........way over sprung.......on the rear many bikes have sidecar springs in the cases........rear springs that have a wire diameter of about 0.325" are sidecar ones and way too stiff........solo springs should be around 0.300" wire.........these 2 items are very common on these bikes........Cheers.

Thanks. I just measured the springs that came out and they are sidecar 0.325" dia and about 3/4" longer than the new stock springs I had on hand at .300" dia.

Not surprising to find sidecar springs in the bike, this Dan Smith's Tiera del Fuego bike, ridden 90% 2 up and usually with luggage.

My riding will be solo, with occasional luggage, so thinking I could go back to stock springs and look at a new Maughan's damper unit.
 

nobby

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Whilst attending the Far Far North Rally this year, The Outer Hebrides (Great Rally again by the way) I had a conversation with a Vincent owner ( sorry, name now forgotten) he had custom Vincent suspension provided by well respected suspension specialists Maxton, the front unit for the girdraulic forks was a coil over, as was the rear unit, he assured me that Maxton held details on file of these units, and could replicate them if the demand was there. I think I would be correct in saying the chap in question attended the rally with his wife, and they were riding a new style Triumph sidecar outfit.
We were there with a new Bonnie T120 and LH sidecar (just for this trip, normally RH).
But I am not the one who told you about Maxton. Before today I even did not know who or what Maxton was...
Am rebuilding Girdraulics and came across this post, hence the late reply.
 

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Peter Holmes

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Thanks for the reply Nobby, in fact I had another conversation with the Maxton man, again at this years Far Far North Rally, and again I have forgotten his name, but I can tell you that he was on his Vincent this year, but had ignition problems and therefore didn't get to much riding done for fear of a breakdown.
 

nobby

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Thanks for the reply Nobby, in fact I had another conversation with the Maxton man, again at this years Far Far North Rally, and again I have forgotten his name, but I can tell you that he was on his Vincent this year, but had ignition problems and therefore didn't get to much riding done for fear of a breakdown.
Next time I will be on a Vincent too. Had to skip this year...
 

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It is the same with the top mount. Make sure it doesn't bend.
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David

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Very interesting to rear through this old thread for the first time and see this photo. Makes sense to strengthen.

I have just rebuilt the suspension on my Rapide. I made some new sleeves (F57) for the UFM which were a very close slide fit, but then I had to cold set the two halves of the split tube in the UFM shown above, as they were not in line with each other and the stud wouldn't go through. A long bar and some muscle was easy enough.

I could understand that repeated bottoming out of the rear suspension would bend the centre of the UFM split tube forward, but the interesting thing was that on my bike was that they were bent the other way, with the middle of the split tube too far backwards, as if the bike had been stretched. Brazing distortion from the factory? Or would they have post-machined?

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Peter Holmes

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But where will it be held? the suspense is almost unbearable, without a doubt the best annual gathering of Vincent riders there is, for me anyway!
 

nobby

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But where will it be held? the suspense is almost unbearable, without a doubt the best annual gathering of Vincent riders there is, for me anyway!
we will wait for the scots to decide, For me the best rally was always the Hever!
 

davidd

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I could understand that repeated bottoming out of the rear suspension would bend the centre of the UFM split tube forward, but the interesting thing was that on my bike was that they were bent the other way, with the middle of the split tube too far backwards, as if the bike had been stretched. Brazing distortion from the factory? Or would they have post-machined?

That is an excellent observation. I would not have thought that the Factory would have made that mistake because those who were assembling the UFM understood how the rear suspension was designed. Phil Vincent designed the two rear spring boxes and the damper to be tightened together via the two sleeves. All these parts would be tightened and would not operate independently, but together. If the sleeves become stuck in the UFM, the rear suspension will not work as designed.

I would be tempted to guess that somehow the rear suspension was set up in a way that the suspension topped off all the time and pulled the damper back. But that is unlikely as topping off would not produce much of a destructive force like bottoming out does.

Ultimately, I was attempting to point out that when you modify the stock Vincent suspension, it may change the path that the suspension forces travel and that path may not be strong enough to do a good job of distributing those forces. I changed to a coil over rear shock, but I felt that both the top and bottom mounts for the shock needed to be strengthened to accommodate the higher forces.

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I ended up with the reinforcement at the top and the redesigned lower mount, which routed the suspension forces through the original spring lugs on the RFM.

David
 

Speedtwin

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Hi Peter,
Was it Tim Lord who had the Maxton set up?
I have used the AVO front and back on both twins and am very satisfied.
For two up maybe go with a spring rate of around 300 plus.
I run a 275 for solo which is fine for me alone.
Al
 
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