Good pictures Tim, Yes both those bikes have the modified stem set up which also does away with the eccentrics. The top photo showing bike number 15 looks exactly how the links and the amount of available spring box travel was on my Rapide, so I put longer lower shocker eye bolts on and this has given it more travel, and with the bike at rest, the links are slightly down at the nose which is what I want. The beauty of this set up is that it allows the suspension to function and also dive under braking which it should do. And the main advantage of this over just changing the springs, is that it increases travel and allows you to soften the front end. Looking at the second photo, I would say that at rest, that bikes front end is likely "Topped out" looking at the amount of rod visible on the shock absorber, which is a Thornton by the look of it, that is also why I opted for the longer eyebolts. It's all experimental, but it seems to be a vast improvement over the stock Girdraulic set up. Now I need to do some comparisons between the front end of the racer verses my Rapide to see how similar they are.