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Norvin

Peter. C

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There is a very interesting part built Norvin appeared on Ebay, although part built mainly with new parts the spec is very high with mostly the best parts available. A very interesting project and I should think the vendor has spent more than the starting price on it already. Item No 320336905811


Peter.C
 

indianken

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Peter,

I see that 10% of the payment will go to
"MAP < Medical Aid for Palestinians>"

I seem to remember that, here in the USA, "Medical Aid for Ireland" was
a euphemism for, "SINTEX for the BOYOS".

Bid with caution.

Ken Smith
 

Norvin1000

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Of course one should bid with caution.

However do please take a little time to research the past and current record of the work of British charity MAP before idly implying that this is an arms front. http://www.map-uk.org/about/;).

I chose to go with this charity as, like many of my countrymen, I was hurt and outraged that the BBC and Sky refused recently to air the Gaza charity appeal on TV on the dubious and ridiculous grounds that so airing the appeal would somehow compromise those organisations' credentials for "political impartiality".

Phil.
 

Prosper Keating

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Pubs used to display little signs saying No Politics No Religion, for very good reasons. Like any club, the VOC is a broad church and members are bound to have opposing views on various questions. The majority of discussions of the Israel-Palestine Question, especially on the internet, are usually doomed to degenerate into slanging matches between all kinds of people with various agendas, some of them rather unsavoury.

Comparisons between MAP and NORAID are invalid because MAP is a bona fide charity, strenuously vetted for obvious reasons by the UK authorities and other Western security agencies, and NORAID is a proven terrorist front that has long-operated with the tacit and occasionally open approval of successive US administrations with their eye on the Irish-American vote.

I would be interested in seeing any evidence to which Ken Smith might be privy that MAP has links to or facilitates Palestinian terrorism in any way. I await a PM from him with interest. Of course, ultra-radical Zionist types of the kind who seem to have hijacked Israel and who claim to speak for World Jewry might contend that the very act, for instance, of reducing Palestinian infant mortality is tantamount to aiding Palestinian terrorist groups because the infants is question are tomorrow's terrorists.

According to such individuals, anyone who does not wholly support the total suppression of the Palestinian people is an anti-semite or Jew-hater, Palestinians being semites. Jews who object to Zionist policies and philosophies bearing disturbing similarities to those of the Nazis are "self-hating Jews". In other words, these extremists are as intransigent as some of the more radical Islamic militants causing all sorts of trouble at the moment.

Discussions about these factions are as futile as discussions with them...which is why the Israel-Palestine Question is not about to be solved anytime soon. Apart from this, there will always be external forces seeking to perpetuate the strife as a means of destabilising the Middle East for oil-related reasons. Nobody with vested interests in oil wants Western-style democracy in the region, least of all the sundry feudal monarchs and dictators doing the oilmen's bidding. And that, my friends, is why Israel is feared and loathed by the local potentates and also why the last thing the local Arabs want is a Palestinian state run along Western democratic lines like Israel.

Contrary, you see, to the image promoted of Palestinians in general as a bunch of baleful suicide bombers-in-waiting, the Palestinians are the most educated group of Arabs per capita in the Arab world. It used to be the Lebanese, before decades of civil war and invasion wrecked the place, just as it was starting to resemble any other civilised Mediterranean country. You can't blame the people of Gaza for voting Hamas into power. It's the same kind of reaction that sees more and more Western Europeans voting for 'nationalist' parties in the face of increasingly oppressive European Union government.

Anyway, I don't come here for this kind of discussion and I'm sure most of you chaps don't either. Ken Smith is entitled to his opinions and I will defend his right to them to the last. However, I think he is entirely wrong about MAP. For a resumé of MAP's patrons and trustees, click here: http://www.map-uk.org/about/trustees_and_patrons/ I am unaware of the special information to which Ken Smith is privy but I nevertheless find it hard to believe that canny figures like Helena Kennedy and David Steel would involve themselves in any organisation with verifiable links to terrorism.

So, let's leave this sort of topic outside because it usually acts as a green light to all sorts of loons and half-wits of the kind who ruin forum websites for a majority of people who just want to wind down and relax without being cornered and browbeaten by the kind of people one can avoid in real life but who are harder to avoid in cyberspace. After all, this part of the website is open to all-comers and we wouldn't want to give the impression that the VOC is a political club, would we? Debating this over a beer or three is one thing, but it leads nowhere good on the internet.

PK
 
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indianken

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PK

Fine. As you can see, I made my response to Phil off post, to keep this issue off the forum. After your eight paragraph tirade you say, "lets keep this type of topic off the post".

Why didn't you take your own advice?

I'm done with this topic.
Ken Smith

Île-de-France?
Isn't that the only place in WW2 Europe that America had to help free so they could call us bastards afterwords?
 

roy the mechanic

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norvin e-bay

I'd like to think that the number of bidders will act as a barometer towards the feelings towards this subject! Greed+avarice excepted.
 

Prosper Keating

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PK

Fine. As you can see, I made my response to Phil off post, to keep this issue off the forum. After your eight paragraph tirade you say, "lets keep this type of topic off the post".

Points of order:

a) You raised "the issue" in the first place.

b) My post is not a "tirade", according to the OED definition.

c) You are misquoting me.

Why didn't you take your own advice?

I'm done with this topic.
Ken Smith

The answer to your question lies in your decision to drop the topic.

Île-de-France?
Isn't that the only place in WW2 Europe that America had to help free so they could call us bastards afterwords?

I am sure there are plenty of other places in the world where the locals think of their American liberators as bastards. As Oscar Wilde observed, old chap, no good turn goes unpunished..

Don't take it amiss, though. Plenty of people around the world fail to appreciate the benefits of having been part of the British Empire. We are surrounded by ingrates, Ken.

Personally, I revere the memory of all those young GIs who fought and bled in the ETO from 1942 to 1945. So do many other Europeans.

May the road rise up to meet you, as we say in Ireland.

PK
 
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lindie

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title: norvin
basic initial topic: ebay item

rest in pm form would be lovely. maybe even edit the remainder out?

bike looks good. not quite classic with the modern front brakes but the ability to stop on something that looks as fast standing still as that would be good. ties in with having indicators too i suppose. a crank mount alternator is mentioned with a belt primary but theres very little in the way of a photo . is this a simple thing to replicate?

looks ok for the starting bid.
 

Norvin1000

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Hello Lindie

I'm not sure quite what you mean by "rest in pm form would be lovely, maybe even edit the remainder out?"

Could you kindly elucidate?

Phil


title: norvin
basic initial topic: ebay item

rest in pm form would be lovely. maybe even edit the remainder out?

bike looks good. not quite classic with the modern front brakes but the ability to stop on something that looks as fast standing still as that would be good. ties in with having indicators too i suppose. a crank mount alternator is mentioned with a belt primary but theres very little in the way of a photo . is this a simple thing to replicate?

looks ok for the starting bid.
 

Prosper Keating

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Prosper Keating;

(CLIP)

"May the road rise up to meet you, as we say in Ireland."

PK

Prosper,
It already did!:eek:
Ken Smith
http://www.vincentownersclub.co.uk/photos/showphoto.php/photo/3434

Oh Lord! Spectacular! I hope you flew over rather than into whatever you t-boned, man! Yup, the road has met us all in that fashion over the years but the Irish exhortation has more to do with the ground rising to meet our meet as we plod along, thereby making the plodding easier.

Regards,

PK
 

lindie

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with pleasure phil:
rather than have a ****slinging match in the public arena over political standpoints that have little in common with the initial post or title, perhaps best to confine them to a fresh whole new topic, or sidestep that complete and fly your colours in private message form. not aimed at you or any specifics, but why have all that out in view of the public eye? just pondering ways to make a duller but more serene pub i guess.

back to the bike, must be a ****** to see all that go up for sale. hope whatever circumstances have caused the sale are soon rectified.
glen
 

Prosper Keating

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I don't see any slanging match here. Concerns were raised about a charity donation stipulation on the eBerk sale in question and they were addressed. In the end, nobody seems to be angry. But yes, we should probably eschew politics and religion!

Not a bad entry bike for someone wanting to try the water before selling the family into slavery to get a real twin...

PK
 

Rapide

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VOC Member
Why stop?
Get it all out on the open.
I for one am enjoying the banter.
Better that than have a sterile environment that is 'PC'.
Keep it coming....please!


( Im just off to speakers corner myself).
 

Bracker1

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The Norvin parts bundle looked fair value at 13,000. My question is why are replica parts and cobbled together bitsa bikes made from these replica parts worth anything near a complete "factory" bike. It's true some are engineered and assembled with great detail, but a stock Honda sports bike runs, stops, and performs better at a fraction of the cost. If the intent is to ride a Vincent engined vehicle, than buy a Vincent, or original Vincent engined machine. Replicas ,however faithful to the original, never will be as good as the real thing. Anyone would take the original AC Cobra over the new engineered Cobra replicas. Motorcycles should be no different. That includes all the replica Crockers, Indians, etc . I'll make the exception for the Godet, I consider that a continuation of the Egli and just plain gorgeous. Safe riding, Dan
 

roy the mechanic

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VOC Member
Norvin rep.

I'll try to explain why. if you can find an original vin. motor, you'll pay 4-5 grand, throw50% of it away cos it's shagged-out or just plain broke. Much better to buy new to start with, it is cnc machined, made of more consistent materials, will not break with big cams+big compression. Iam currenty building "ogri's" norvin, this is the route i am taking. When you see it then tell me i am wrong. Whilst we all need to preserve our history, try to trust the ones who are ensuring our future is also secure, We are , just like Mr Godet ,building things to be proud of. I'm also investing lots of my time+expertise+****-loads of my hard-earnt to prove the point. I also run a '51 rapide, its a great bike-its also the reason for the "new" one. Roy.
 
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lindie

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My question is why are replica parts and cobbled together bitsa bikes made from these replica parts worth anything near a complete "factory" bike.

If the intent is to ride a Vincent engined vehicle, than buy a Vincent, or original Vincent engined machine. Replicas ,however faithful to the original, never will be as good as the real thing. Anyone would take the original AC Cobra over the new engineered Cobra replicas. Motorcycles should be no different.

besides inheriting one or posessing a large enough bank balance/shotgun, most will never own a factory twin that they can mercilessly thrash without fear of destroying their non cobbled pristine non bitsa. same and to a degree moreso with the cobra. the ac and vincent works stopped production of their swansong models circa 1967 and 1955. the consumers however didn't, and their resulting reproduction plus 50 years of hearing the status and legend of even just the two examples given lead the way to demand well and truly outstripping supply. the last time a prize fell out of my corn flakes packet it wasn't a 427 s/c. i'd love a caterham one day as the giggle of a road registered go kart with poke appeals to me, as much as the prospect of cosseting their perfect condition lotus super 7 appeals to the owner of the original, who'll not only not part with it for dear life, but would be horrifeid if someone waved enough folding under their nose then ripped out the drivetrain and anything that got in the way of a newer more powerful engine. the purists can sneer at repicas but woe betide anyone who now buys an original to strip down and build a special that may or may not retain the lug let alone the entire transmission. kind of a double standard don't you think?
 

roy the mechanic

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specials

Having worked in the "MOTOR-GAME" since 1964 I can guarantee that the ac cobra 427 was a peice of junk! Please remove your rose tinted specs and return to reality for once in your miserable existence. The chassis could not/ would not handle what Carrol Shelby had intended, having worked+driven these "things" I feel Qualified to make these observations, go buy one, I guarantee the dream will not match the driving experience!(Pass the brown trousers)+ the insurance claim. I ,for one, do not wish to own a genuine "factory foul-up! I recon my new one will out perform yours any day. If you have the knowledge or wherewithall, put-up or shut-up-that's what the prophet said.
 
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