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Pushrod Twin

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I love the look of the Vincati Specials, I consider them to be not only visually appealing, but also technically fascinating. I rode a few Bevel Ducatis back in their hey day, always enjoyed the handling. Some were over sprung, but that is easily dealt with. Fitting a well built, new build, Vincent engine would make them reliable, and they can have an electric starter, what is not to like about that? ;)
 

A_HRD

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Which Ducati model(s) are you advocating as a donor bike? The problem with finding one these days, most have values attached to them approaching Vincent levels - regardless of condition. This especially applies to the 1970s Desmo 900ss bevels - one of the most evocative motorcycles ever devised. It would be sacrilege to break-up one of those. And then there's the 750 GT or Sport - a few of which were manufactured with Electric Start too (between the cylinders) - like this one!
Peter B
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Chris Launders

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The 860 GTS would by far be cheapest, still probably well under £10k. I have a Darmah SS and although haven't used it for years it was amazingly quick, reliable and had an electric start, without the expense of building and fitting a new Vincent engine. I even have a spare 860 engine on the shelf.
 

Pushrod Twin

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Which Ducati model(s) are you advocating as a donor bike? The problem with finding one these days, most have values attached to them approaching Vincent levels - regardless of condition. This especially applies to the 1970s Desmo 900ss bevels - one of the most evocative motorcycles ever devised. It would be sacrilege to break-up one of those. And then there's the 750 GT or Sport - a few of which were manufactured with Electric Start too (between the cylinders) - like this one!
Peter B
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Wow, that is a stunning example! I saw one like that with electric start once, never been seen again since. Yes, nice ones do have eye watering values, like Vincents. But there must be some derelicts lying around. When I think back to the numbers we had here in NZ in the 70's & early 80's and the numbers we see on the road these days, they have gone to ground. We see more /5 & 6 BMWs & Round Barrel Guzzis on the road.
I am sure the reason for that is because they are lying in sheds, or polished in lounges, with munted bigends and gearbox bearings. This is a fact, not a put down, sadly.
I personally like the 750GTs, both standard & upgraded with Vincent power.
The "1200SS" of VOC Member,Mitch Talcove is spectacular with its gold drum brakes & Terry Prince top end.
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A_HRD

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I even have a spare 860 engine on the shelf.
Chris,
Well, there's an opportunity for you - probably the first person to be in a position to build a Ducvin or Ducent!
Simply(!) put the 860 Duke engine in a Vincent rolling chassis; probably paint the engine gloss-black first for even greater appeal. :cool:
Peter B
 

mercurycrest

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Chris,
Well, there's an opportunity for you - probably the first person to be in a position to build a Ducvin or Ducent!
Simply(!) put the 860 Duke engine in a Vincent rolling chassis; probably paint the engine gloss-black first for even greater appeal. :cool:
Peter B
Too late, it's already been done.
 

A_HRD

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Yep, the 1200cc Vincati above is indeed a thing of beauty.

One of the appealing features of the '74 GTE above is that it has the gear-change on the right, as standard, like proper motorcycles. :)

Too late, it's already been done
Well who'd have thought it!

Peter B
 

BigEd

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Which Ducati model(s) are you advocating as a donor bike? The problem with finding one these days, most have values attached to them approaching Vincent levels - regardless of condition. This especially applies to the 1970s Desmo 900ss bevels - one of the most evocative motorcycles ever devised. It would be sacrilege to break-up one of those. And then there's the 750 GT or Sport - a few of which were manufactured with Electric Start too (between the cylinders) - like this one!
Peter B
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In the early 1970's my brother bought a new Ducati 750 GT with electric start just like the one in the photographs. Beautiful bike, nice handling, it had a great feel about. The actual quality was poor. This was not exclusive to Ducati as many Italian machines were known for poor electrics, instruments and general quality. They did, however, make some good looking bikes in my eyes.
My brother's 750 GT had a rear head that continued to leak oil even after being"fixed" and the orange paint faded badly amongst other things. He didn't keep this bike for long, i.e. a few months not years.
I bought a new Ducati ST4S in 2003. By this time the quality was pretty good. The desmo, belt drive cam engine was the 996 engine from the 996 Superbike with different exhaust timing to move the lovely torque lower down the rev range. Mine looks a bit beat up now (I don't do shiny) but it is great to ride. It is insured but not taxed for the road at the moment. I annualy "rotate" the use of my various bikes and am thinking maybe my Ducati will get used this year ........ when I've finished tinkering with the Rapide.:)
 

Cyborg

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I did consider a Ducati frame, but from a Monster as they are plentiful and sometimes available in exchange for beer or sold by the pound. I didn't get as far as offering the engine/gearbox up to the frame, so still have no idea if it is feasible. A different look for sure and not as "traditional" as the bevel frame. It would take some surgery to deal with space/mount for the front head. In hindsight perhaps less work than the 3 shed approach of the Honda frame. The red tail light is attached to a nice straight 750 Monster frame which unfortunately is now residing in shed #2.

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Chris Launders

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Looking at the black frame on top of the pile you could mount the motor sideways and have shaft drive !!
 

Cyborg

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Are you suggesting that I am not of sound mind?
The Honda donor frame was shaft drive. Thankfully it never crossed my mind to stuff the Comet motor in there sideways. That might have resulted in a VOC fatwa.
 

Chris Launders

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Who mentioned Comet, it looks wide enough for a twin !! and what person of sound mind would ride a Vincent anyway. That certainly doesn't describe me.
That Monster frame would do to put my spare bevel drive engine in, but the shipping is probably more than the frame's worth.
 

vibrac

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many many years ago I was loaned a ducati for a day an SS? 750 with a silver blue fibreglass tank that allowed you to see the petrol level. Early on a foggy morning I rode it to Snetterton (100 miles) and went round and round all day then rode it home. I was very impressed, so much so I did an article for MPH wobbling on about it being a series 'E'. The owner did not have much of a clue and in spite of my instructions he always changed down far too early and he blew it up at Silverstone within weeks.
fortunately I saw the light and bought another Egli.
 

Cyborg

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Too bad, because to be honest... I actually have 2 monster frames in that shed.
I do have a twin engine in the making, but last thing I need is another rabbit hole special. My fabrication time is being spent on a KVFTT knockoff and Lightning rearset bits. As if that is a more practical use of time.....
 

Cyborg

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One of my all time favourites. Too bad a previous owner thought it would look better in black. When I sold it the guy wanted to trade for a NA-64 Yale that was missing the bits from the firewall forward (speaking of sound minds).
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Oldhaven

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This was mine. My wife and I rode it from Maine to the Ohio Rally and back in the 80's. I kind of liked it in black, done in compensation after I sold my first Rapide and missed it later. The picture here is after I sold it and it was semi restored by the guy that bought it a couple of years ago. He kept the paint job. It was hard to keep reliable due to the electrics, but was a great bike otherwise.

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And just after getting back to Maine. We kept having to add padding on the seat as it was harder by the mile. It rained the whole way back.

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Chris Launders

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This is my Darmah SS, knowing the electrics problems Ducati's had I rewired it doing away with the multi-plugs and excess wiring, I also has a home made hydraulic clutch and with Kawasaki GPZ 900 master cylinders has far more braking power, stripped and rebuilt to run on R40.Bikes_1_001.jpg
 

oexing

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The 750 GT Duc is quite allright, not so the 860 or 900 cc types. You are lucky to run a Vincent or two but you´d be wrong to expect same mileages from these Ducatis and better be prepared for all sorts of defects. In Italy the brand has no good reputation only for short time joy. The cranks were notoriously short lived, dropping out valve seat rings, noisy engines when high mileages etc. . In the photo a conrod of a 860 GT, around 35 000km , OK, new engine was used for Bavaria to New Delhi and back in 1976 - just, and after a frame change (warranty) a trip to IOM and back - well almost. I towed Max on his 860 GT Duc on the motorway for at least 100 km from Belgium to over the border behind the R 69 S and megaphones after the Duc engine got extremely noisy for fear of exploding any second.
A few years later Max did a trip to Finland , the Duc had about same mileage done again , 35 000 km, some days it was stuck in 4th gear which healed itself. When the engine got to same noise level as previously Max decided to get a plane flight home. The Duc was collected later by our RAC / ADAC and delivered home for another repair. Problem is material choice for crank pin and conrod, 36 mm pin, paired with oil filter in a bypass, not full flow.

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