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Bill Thomas

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From what I've witnessed on the Norton site- every US state is different in regard to registration without existing title. Some are very easy while other states make it nearly impossible to register without old title in hand.
This explains the value of old, unused titles from wrecked and parted out bikes. A number of those have quietly changed hands. New unstamped frame plates are available at Andover Norton.
Sometimes you have to sneak around like a criminal just to have a bit of fun!

Glen
There is a youtube about Norton's and it's very bad, Lots of tricky goings on, Lots of money lost by the fact they can't supply Bikes, And it looks like people have been conned out of there money ?.
 

vin998

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Well it has rather unique case mating numbers that Simon is aware of albeit unofficially. Only a frame number required for insurance here. I have thought about making sure they have some other unique markings and then ask Simon to keep photos on file.
I can issue you with a new engine number if one is required or you just want to uniquely identify a new engine. The new engine numbers are in the format F10AB/5/12### where /5/ signifies new replica crankcases and the 12### is the next avaliable sequential number. Note all new numbers are in the 12,000 plus range so well above where the Vincent factory stopped.

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Magnetoman

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I can issue you with a new engine number if one is required ...
You should carefully check local regulations before taking Simon up on this offer. In my State, if an engine number is missing (or altered or defaced) an application must be filed requesting a plate with a special serial number that then must be permanently attached by an official. Another statute states that altering an engine number -- although, it's not obvious whether adding one's own number to a blank spot counts as "altering" -- is either a misdemeanor or a felony depending on what they decide your intent was.

I'm sure every State (or Canadian Province) has their ideas on what needs to be done, but this is something well worth researching before deploying your number stamps.
 

bmetcalf

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Funny, I’ve registered my Rap in three states and used the engine number each time. Since I bought it with a title in 1980, no government official has ever inspected it to notice and possibly object.
 

Somer

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Requirements have varied from state to state and year to year. In the states during the 40's and 50's, typically the engine number was used for registration. In the 60's they evolved towards frame numbers. I have found that on a vintage bike, no eyebrows will typically be raised.
There have been issues with stolen bikes and states re-assigning serial numbers. Sometimes done by riveting a tag on.
 

Glenliman

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There is a youtube about Norton's and it's very bad, Lots of tricky goings on, Lots of money lost by the fact they can't supply Bikes, And it looks like people have been conned out of there money ?.

That'll be the end of the modern/very problematic 961 Norton and Stuart Garner's Company.
It has no effect on the world of original Norton Dommies and the 1960s/70s Commando 750 850 etc.
Quite a mess though.

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Prince Duster

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It's all just words, Who can you believe, The first owners Son of my first Twin, Made contact via this Forum,
And said Mr Vincent was a friend of his Dad and that Phil Vincent road my Bike,
Yet it's a 1950 Rapide, And I have since read that Phil Vincent stopped riding in 1949 after a crash from a bad gearbox ?.
Too many years have past to say what is right and what is wrong, When you read that Engines have gone back and had the Cases changed when almost new, Apart from Blow ups !, And Crashes with Frames being changed,
I have read that there are a lot of rear frames with no number, So is that better than a restamp ?.
As long as they are not stolen, Who cares about numbers, If in doubt ask Simon.
PCV's accident was in 1947. He had about a year's riding post-war. David Lancaster
 

Bill Thomas

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That'll be the end of the modern/very problematic 961 Norton and Stuart Garner's Company.
It has no effect on the world of original Norton Dommies and the 1960s/70s Commando 750 850 etc.
Quite a mess though.

Glen
I thought the 961 was the best !!, You can't trust anybody.
 

vibrac

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There is an answer to the environmental problem and transport, all existing motorcycles cars lorries planes and bulldozers could be made carbon neutral tomorrow
Carbon engineering makes non fossil liquid fuel from CO2 from the air and hydrogen from electrolysis from renewables and it is free from polluting by products. all it needs is for .gov to remove tax from non fossil liquid fuel. The real question is why it's being kept so quiet why shares in the Canadian company are being bought by oil companies, the section on the fuel has been removed to a back page of their web site and they no longer promote it although the cost was down to 100 dollars a barrel engine ready. what's wrong with every country being able to make their own fuel? and what is in the electric car that makes it so desirable for manufacturers and not users or the environment?
I won't even mention the fact that the same process could sequestrate carbon better than any other method I see a deciduous tree will take 100 years to put away a ton
Something very fishy is going on.
 

Magnetoman

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all existing motorcycles cars lorries planes and bulldozers could be made carbon neutral tomorrow ... Carbon engineering makes non fossil liquid fuel from CO2 from the air and hydrogen from electrolysis from renewables and it is free from polluting by products.
There are many potential energy pathways, each with obstacles to overcome. Currently 17% of U.S. energy is renewable, and hydrolysis is 80% efficient, so 13.6% of total energy production could be in the form of hydrogen if all renewable energy were directed that way. Of course, doing so would remove renewables from their present carbon-reducing activities. Ignoring that fact, 28% of total US energy consumption is in transportation, so even if the hydrogen could be converted into liquid fuel with 100% efficiency (which is impossible), it could only provide half the need. But, remember, to do even this would require diverting all the renewable energy presently being produced. The only energy available to make up that deficit would be non-renewables, for a net gain of zero.

Only if/when renewables take on a much larger role would any scheme to convert some of that energy to synthesizing liquid fuel reduce the amount of carbon in the atmosphere.
 

Cyborg

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I can issue you with a new engine number if one is required or you just want to uniquely identify a new engine. The new engine numbers are in the format F10AB/5/12### where /5/ signifies new replica crankcases and the 12### is the next avaliable sequential number. Note all new numbers are in the 12,000 plus range so well above where the Vincent factory stopped.

Simon
Thanks. I vaguely remember reading something on this site about issuing numbers. My plan is to not bother with an engine number as it’s not a requirement for registration etc. Once the bike is ready to roll, I’ll send you the UFM number etc along with the case mating numbers and other distinguishing “marks” just so it’s on record.
The only questions that ever arose about engine numbers that I’m aware of was when the local constabulary was trying to verify suspicious looking vehicle identification numbers. They would bring us the engine number and ask us to do a record search to see what vehicle it was originally installed in and verify it jived with the VIN. The crooks were getting fairly good at replicating VIN tags, but the never bothered to study the manual and learn how the numbers were arrived at. You’d see things like a 5 door Civic when one didn’t exist.

Could be a while before I really get started on this thing... plus I’m supposed to be busy slapping lipstick and upholstery on the Comet.
One of the first jobs will be sorting out a smaller small idler so there is actually some backlash between the small idler and the cam.
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Cyborg

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try an undersized half time pinion......done this before and it works fine.
Thanks Greg. I discovered that half time pinions worked when I picked up another breather out of the bin and the gear had 5 keyways cut in it. The gear on this breather has ET49/11 stamped on it (no keyways). Not sure if they used odd numbers back in the day. VOC Spared doesn't list a small idler for the series D, just the spindle? Anyway... With a clear head and steady hands, I'll dig out the pins and see what it measure out to.
 

Bill Thomas

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Good one Greg, I didn't think of that when I had trouble with my Special a few years ago,
Bit worried about not enough clearance, It's free, But I like a bit of slack,
I don't want another stripped fibre pinion, That was a long PUSH !.
 

greg brillus

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I had some real grief years ago on a "B" shadow engine that someone had reclaimed a badly worn front cam spindle bore...........They had cleaned up the hole and installed a bronze sleeve and then the new spindle, trouble was the spindle was down about half a mm from its original location. Not only did I have to use an undersized large idler and slightly smaller cam pinions, I had to use a minus 10 half time pinion on the breather to gain some backlash for the magneto gear..........This was on a show restored bike mind you. The major troubles didn't end there either.......... I remember when the owner showed up with it, he started it up complete with thongs on his feet........ The engine sounded like a worn out Black and Decker drill, the whining coming from the timing chest was amazing...... what with everything meshing sooooo tight.
 

BigEd

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This is no longer about Mecum Auction. There are too many different "threads in here. Someone choose a new thread subject from this jumble of topics.please.
 
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