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HELP WITH ORIGINAL REGISTRATION NUMBER PLEASE!

Steve Morris

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#1
I am going to 'attempt' to get the original registration number back on my Comet. The number is not recognised on the DVLA website (when i typed it into vehicle search it says 'no records found' which could indicate the number has dropped off the database or it isn't registered to anything??

I have the green logbook which states the original reg number, although the previous owner did try to get the original number back on the bike some 13 years ago without success, but that was a while ago and things may have changed since then.

Does anyone have any experience of this?

Many thanks,

Steve.
 

vibrac

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#2
where was it registered originally?
on two machines a Douglas and a Triumph I struck lucky (Oxfordshire and Buckinghamshire) in both cases a visit to their respective county archives revealed the original record, 80p got me a photo stat .
No personal number grave robber had been there (whats that all about?) so I got the original number
Of course if it was issued one of those wonderful councils who bleat on about 'our history' and 'our heritage', but destroyed all the vehicle records you may be out of luck however there are certain organisation on the web who have rescued some records
 

Steve Morris

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#3
It was originally registered in Leicestershire in March 1950 (see picture).

Surely if i have the green logbook and it can be proved by the VOC it was registered with that number I don't need to go to the local registration office to prove it? Screen Shot 2018-04-02 at 12.02.02.png
 

vibrac

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#4
Original (at the time of registration 1950) log books were brown I think continuation books came in around 1960 (memory only) I will check on leicestershires attachment to historic documents
I emphasize original because thats what the DVLA says see
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration/old-vehicles
Simon will be in touch soon
 
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BigEd

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#6
It was originally registered in Leicestershire in March 1950 (see picture).

Surely if i have the green logbook and it can be proved by the VOC it was registered with that number I don't need to go to the local registration office to prove it? View attachment 21320
There is no local registration office. They were all closed over the last 2 -3 years. Everything is through DVLA Swansea.
 

Graham Smith

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#8
As @Bill Thomas said - Simon's your man, but from what I understand of it, you're going to need a bit of 'official' documentation that ties that registration number with your actual bike.

I know a 'buff' type log book is acceptable, but I don't know about say a tax disc.

Maybe the Works Records are acceptable if the registration number is recorded on them, but in many cases, the registration number wasn't known when the bike was dispatched.

Please feel free to tell me that's all rubbish Simon! (It probably is!)
 

Steve Morris

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#9
Thanks all.

I have the 'buff' type logbook which clearly states the reg number of the bike. I will await Simons reply but may contact DVLA in the meantime!
 

Steve Morris

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#11
Thanks Bill, I see your point and will wait for Simon.

In the meanwhile, i have done a little 'digging around'.

I have in the file for the bike, the transfer document from the DOT.

In the document is the name of the lady it was transferred to (the letters made up her name). The address is also there, so i looked it up along with the phone number, to no avail (it was done in 1983!).

So, i googled her full name, and it appears she was quite a well known lady, a very glamourous lady working in the publishing industry, but she was sadly killed in a cycling incident in London in 2006 aged 42. So, born in 1964, she would have been 19 at the time of transfer, being a well educated lady, working in London, it is entirely feasible as she was driving an MG (the original reg No of my bike was transferred to an MG).

After reading her obituary, there was mention of her partner, a chap with a double barrelled name, who has his own antiques company in Cornwall. The obituary also mentioned that the lady in question had bought a house in Cornwall with this chap, which is the address she put on the transfer form, to co-incidental for me?

So, I have sent a message to this chap and am awaiting reply.

I will of course keep you all updated,

Regards,

Maigrait.
 

BigEd

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#12
I said county record archives not local DVLA office
I was pointing out that to actually get a registration of any kind you have to go through Swansea. I got an age related number for my Rapide by going to the registration office in Birmingham where I was able to sit with a helpful person who actually helped me fill in all the forms. Face to face is often the best way to do business.:cool: The information I got from the VOC was key to getting a registration.
 

Dinny

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#13
Simon will be on here soon as I know he doesn’t currently have internet access. If it’s possible he is the one who can get you on the correct path.

Mark
 

nkt267

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#14
I got the number back on my Comet without a log book..I had an old tax disc and contacted Kent County archives and they sent me a copy of the registration page. The club then handled the case and the original number was supplied but it is NOT transferable..I was not bothered about that as all I wanted was the bikes birth name. John
 

vin998

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#15
Yes it's me you need to talk to. Does the green logbook clearly show the registration and the frame number as exactly stamped on the ufm headstock?
Email a scan of the logbook to me. Do not post it here.
Do not contact the DVLA without contacting me first as they could go off at 90 degrees.
Simon
 

vin998

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#16
As @Bill Thomas said - Simon's your man, but from what I understand of it, you're going to need a bit of 'official' documentation that ties that registration number with your actual bike.

I know a 'buff' type log book is acceptable, but I don't know about say a tax disc.

Maybe the Works Records are acceptable if the registration number is recorded on them, but in many cases, the registration number wasn't known when the bike was dispatched.

Please feel free to tell me that's all rubbish Simon! (It probably is!)
The bit about proof is correct. The DVLA require proof that the reg is connected to the frame number as stamped on the bike. A certified copy of the council records (if they have not destroyed them) or an old logbook is the best. The factory records on their own will not do it as the factory did not register the bikes. That was done after the factory by the dealers.
Tax discs are a definate no as they only record the reg.
Simon
 

Steve Morris

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#17
Yes it's me you need to talk to. Does the green logbook clearly show the registration and the frame number as exactly stamped on the ufm headstock?
Email a scan of the logbook to me. Do not post it here.
Do not contact the DVLA without contacting me first as they could go off at 90 degrees.
Simon
Hi Simon,

I have emailed you the green log book as requested.

Thanks for your help,

Steve.
 

vin998

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#18
Hi Steve
Ive just got back from 10 days in USA to find 90+ emails and several phone messages so it may take a day or two to get sorted.
Simon
 

Steve Morris

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#19
Hi Simon,

Hope you had a good trip, I to have just come back from 2 weeks in the middle east, no rush at al!

Best regards,

Steve.
 
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