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Jim Bush

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Sitting next to my Vin in the shed is a 2013 961 Norton Cafe Racer. Thankfully I bought it second hand at about 1/2 price, with only 2400miles on it. My first season of riding this "new" magnificent retro was less than ideal.. it felt like the motor was bound up, fighting itself, there was a huge mechanical clatter that when idling down my street it felt like bystanders were pointing at this cacophony of mechanical mayhem.

There is a ex-dealer in Ontario that had been working on improving these bikes and had published a lot of how to videos and manufactured some special tools. At the end of the riding season I decided I would pull the engine down and see what was going on. Simple enough process, very well engineered and solid castings. First thing I found was the balance shaft bearing was gone - a NJ305E roller made in Czechslovakia with plastic cage. While I was rectifying that, I was told I should look at the crankshaft mounting plate - a 3/4" thick alum billet plate that holds the center main bearing. This is held into the crankcase with 9 bolts. Each of the bolts were not tight enough to clamp the plate and there were signs it was moving around. The bolt dimensions were incorrect as the shoulder bottomed out on the crankcase - leaving the plate loose. Consequently the crankshaft was out of true now by 12 thou.

I created all kinds of ballyhoo with Norton UK and got not one response. Norton Canada did come through with the balance shaft bearing and two gaskets and paid the $200 for the crank truing, out of "Good Will" since I was not a dealer, nor was my bike still under warranty.

Still more to check out - the balance shaft itself was out of balance - about 3oz had to be ground off one lobe to true it up. The exhaust rocker shafts were almost frozen due to lack of oil - I added some spiral groves to help.

I was also told to replace the sensors with OEM Bosch products including the ignition coil, head temp sensor and cam speed sensor. Norton had designed the system on Bosch spec's but had substituted cheap aftermarket components that actually didn't measure up specification wise and caused all kinds of electronic mayhem.

I was also told by Norton Canada that for peace of mind I should replace the two main bearings while I am at it with FAG brass ones, which I did, NJ307E's came at a considerable cost. I sent my ECU to Ontario for the latest map and buttoned it all up. I was lucky to have the facilities and tools to undertake this. Out of pocket cost overall was minimal for parts, some paid for by Norton but I have 40-50hrs of my time into it.

Good thing it runs really well, vibration is gone and the mechanical noise is about a 1/4 of what it was, plus I found I found all kinds of new power above 5000rpm.

Sad thing, I blogged my progress on Norton Access Forum and it cause quite a stir - it wasn't long before I was told indirectly from Norton, that I should remove my posts and not continue to malign Norton with this clearly one off condition.

Since then I have kept tabs on other 2013-2014 models (pre MKII's) and it is now clear that pretty much the whole batch from that period are suffering from similar symptoms. The chaps in Ontario to this day are still "improving" these bikes without any help from Norton at the Owner's expense.

I was prepared to give Norton a chance, but the way they have treated me and others is DISGRACEFUL. Garner you deserve what's coming.
 

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vibrac

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Oh well if Henry Cole says its good it must be!
Cant stand the guy, the prime requirement when presenting a subject is to understand it
If Jay Leno said it I would be ready to listen
 

Bill Thomas

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Maybe they are OK for the first 1000 to 1500 miles, As Jim says, He bought it second hand,
The first bloke might have had a feeling , That's why he sold it ?.
I like the look of Henry's place, Nice area,
But I am not keen on Him on the Box.
 

macvette

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Maybe they are OK for the first 1000 to 1500 miles, As Jim says, He bought it second hand,
The first bloke might have had a feeling , That's why he sold it ?.
I like the look of Henry's place, Nice area,
But I am not keen on Him on the Box.
A friend of bought one of the first bikes, new, from a local dealer. He is a very experienced biker with a number of old bikes and at the time ran his own car repair shop. It ran very badly, rattled like a bag of nails. Neither he or the dealer got anywhere with Norton. After a while, he took it to a dyno specialist who tunes bikes for the TT but he could not access the ecu. Norton refused to help so my friend returned the bike to the dealer who sold it on.
 

Jim Bush

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Bill Thomas

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I am a simple man, But with all that money floating around, I would have thought any fault with the Bike could be fixed, So making them very sellable, The Norton name alone would sell it ?.
 

Jim Bush

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It seems it was never about the bikes. It is about the money. Norton have never acknowledged any production issues with the 2013/2014's that came to light in the last 4-5years. They just released the MKII which seem to be the "fixed" version and only looked forward.

Somehow the numbers just don't seem to make any sense.
- Reported current debt owed is £20mil to £26mil
- Govt grants/loans received £11mil
- Pension fund monies taken £14mil
-Sales from reputed total production of 3000-3500 961 Commando's & V4's sold worldwide maybe £60mil

So he got £85mil cash in (not including other investments) and still owes £20-26mil

Somewhere in there a lot of money went sideways..

Plus there are a raft of Dealers who put up their own money to establish the marque in their country. A lot of people are hurting over this.

As they say follow the money... Hoping all will be revealed.
 

ClassicBiker

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Reading all this and listening to Stuart Fillingham on youtube there was plenty of money floating about to correct all issues and pay all suppliers. Unfortunately it appears as soon as the money was available it went straight into Stuart Garner's pocket. I also suspect that the reason no one has been prosecuted for what appears to be fraud and theft is the politicians do not want their incompetence to become public knowledge to the larger general public. There does not appear to have been any oversight in place, conditions or guarantees placed on the funds loaned. Everyone involved who has loaned money from private individuals, public figures, or investment brokers have seemed to have been dazzled by the thought of being part of the resurrection of an iconic brand that will make them loads of money on their investments and forever link them, however tenuously, to that brand. I doubt anyone ever asked to see a proposed business plan, a list of current investors, or questioned the rate of return for their investments.
Steven
 

macvette

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Part two out now... head shaking

Like other articles on this subject, I take it with a great big grain of salt. I find it hard to understand why a business man with that kind of experience did not investigate the alleged forgery of his signature. I maybe wrong but in reading the article, it seems to imply his shares were sold to Garner some years ago reducing his exposure. There is a lot of positioning going that only a thorough legal investigation will clarify. In the meantime, as with the Sirius project, sadly, it's the smaller private investors who will suffer most.
 

Bill Thomas

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What I can't understand is if he looked after his customers proper and got the problems sorted,
He would still have made a lot of money and not be in this trouble.
I worked for myself for 26 years and only got stuffed by one person, And I was told not to do work for him,
It was only a small amount, So I wrote it off.
 
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