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<blockquote data-quote="Magnetoman" data-source="post: 98407" data-attributes="member: 2806"><p>Despite the pretense they make about "originality," the dirty little secret of all concours competitions is they <em>only</em> judge the exterior of a motorcycle. As for separating running bikes from empty crankcases, the internals of a bike could be a complete bodge and a bike will still run short distances so conducting a test like that only maintains the fiction that the competitions are selling. As any number of purchasers have found, all too often the interiors of great looking bikes <em>are</em> bodged together.</p><p></p><p>Obviously, there are practical difficulties in judging the mechanical[*] as well as the cosmetic condition of a bike for "originality." But, it's fiction to pretend authority on matters of "originality," "restoration," "over-restoration," etc. when it's <em>only</em> the superficial that is judged in these competitions.</p><p></p><p>[*]The mechanical condition actually could be judged without disassembling the bike. Concours competition rules often call for the competitor to supply written documentation for external features that a judge may suspect are incorrect, e.g. to show that a, say, 1929 horn was introduced toward the end of model year 1928 so it is appropriate on a 1928 bike. The photographic record I kept of my recent rebuild of a 1928 Ariel for the upcoming Cannonball Rally certainly would be sufficient for a knowledgeable judge to determine how much of the 99% of the bike that <em>can't </em>be seen deviates from being "factory original" (nb. as a simple example, those photographs show I used a modern piston with an oil ring rather than an original 2-ring piston).</p><p></p><p>None of the above is an argument against people who want to enter concours events, or who enjoy attending them. It's just to point out what the results of those event do, and more particularly don't, say about the "originality" of a given machine.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Magnetoman, post: 98407, member: 2806"] Despite the pretense they make about "originality," the dirty little secret of all concours competitions is they [i]only[/i] judge the exterior of a motorcycle. As for separating running bikes from empty crankcases, the internals of a bike could be a complete bodge and a bike will still run short distances so conducting a test like that only maintains the fiction that the competitions are selling. As any number of purchasers have found, all too often the interiors of great looking bikes [i]are[/i] bodged together. Obviously, there are practical difficulties in judging the mechanical[*] as well as the cosmetic condition of a bike for "originality." But, it's fiction to pretend authority on matters of "originality," "restoration," "over-restoration," etc. when it's [i]only[/i] the superficial that is judged in these competitions. [*]The mechanical condition actually could be judged without disassembling the bike. Concours competition rules often call for the competitor to supply written documentation for external features that a judge may suspect are incorrect, e.g. to show that a, say, 1929 horn was introduced toward the end of model year 1928 so it is appropriate on a 1928 bike. The photographic record I kept of my recent rebuild of a 1928 Ariel for the upcoming Cannonball Rally certainly would be sufficient for a knowledgeable judge to determine how much of the 99% of the bike that [I]can't [/I]be seen deviates from being "factory original" (nb. as a simple example, those photographs show I used a modern piston with an oil ring rather than an original 2-ring piston). None of the above is an argument against people who want to enter concours events, or who enjoy attending them. It's just to point out what the results of those event do, and more particularly don't, say about the "originality" of a given machine. [/QUOTE]
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