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<blockquote data-quote="ClassicBiker" data-source="post: 145815" data-attributes="member: 1632"><p>Carl,</p><p>I can't completely agree with you. While I agree rider education is lacking here, I also think driver education is lacking. When I hear about proposals for graduated licensing schemes for new motorcycle riders, I wonder will such schemes also be applied to new car drivers? The answer is no. A new driver after their probationary period can jump in any vehicle they please, regardless of size or available engine power. I find it ludicrous to believe a 16 year old is any safer driving a Silverado, Camero or Mustang, than a Hybusa. They are all dangerous. When I think of the insurance industry here getting involved in rider education, I shudder. I remember back in the '80s when the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety tried to get sport bikes banned and limit H.P.. Their agenda was because they were paying out on insurance claims, not because the vehicles were anymore dangerous or that there was any altruistic motives. The push for education and a graduated licensing system should come from within the community not from without. Because it is only then that a balance will be struck between what will benefit the community and not put excessive obstacles in the way of those wishing to join the community.</p><p>That is why the automotive industry doesn't push for stricter licensing on car drivers. When was last time GM said, " the Camero Z28 is only for experienced drivers over 25"? I don't ever remember Ford stating you need to be a high school graduate to buy a Mustang. No the auto industry realizes that access to its products is what keeps the industry going and minimal regulation by gov't entities is best for the industry, in their opinion. But people also realize that a level of training is required and a level of regulation as well. But as the majority of people drive cars, the level of training and regulation is minimal at best, the majority want their personal and convenient transport. Whereas a minority rides motorcycles and the majority perceive them as dangerous. So unless the motorcycle community becomes vocal and insists that a graduated license scheme be applied to all vehicle licensing and becomes involved in determining what is and is not excessive with regards to standards for access. You can be assured that requirements will be extremely difficult to meet and costs will be excessive. That is why rider courses are offered by the Motorcycle Safety Foundation and passing the basic level of that course is required in Michigan to obtain a license. What is unfortunate about that is it is usually offered only once a year on a single weekend through community college, though the cost is minimal. If you miss that offering then you have to find a private school, which can be costly and the schedule not so easy. </p><p>Finally an industry pushing any kind of legislation on a population is not how our gov't is supposed to work. We are a federal republic where the ultimate political power is supposed to rest with the people. When that power rests with industries, consortiums, and the like that is an oligarchy. </p><p>Steven</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ClassicBiker, post: 145815, member: 1632"] Carl, I can't completely agree with you. While I agree rider education is lacking here, I also think driver education is lacking. When I hear about proposals for graduated licensing schemes for new motorcycle riders, I wonder will such schemes also be applied to new car drivers? The answer is no. A new driver after their probationary period can jump in any vehicle they please, regardless of size or available engine power. I find it ludicrous to believe a 16 year old is any safer driving a Silverado, Camero or Mustang, than a Hybusa. They are all dangerous. When I think of the insurance industry here getting involved in rider education, I shudder. I remember back in the '80s when the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety tried to get sport bikes banned and limit H.P.. Their agenda was because they were paying out on insurance claims, not because the vehicles were anymore dangerous or that there was any altruistic motives. The push for education and a graduated licensing system should come from within the community not from without. Because it is only then that a balance will be struck between what will benefit the community and not put excessive obstacles in the way of those wishing to join the community. That is why the automotive industry doesn't push for stricter licensing on car drivers. When was last time GM said, " the Camero Z28 is only for experienced drivers over 25"? I don't ever remember Ford stating you need to be a high school graduate to buy a Mustang. No the auto industry realizes that access to its products is what keeps the industry going and minimal regulation by gov't entities is best for the industry, in their opinion. But people also realize that a level of training is required and a level of regulation as well. But as the majority of people drive cars, the level of training and regulation is minimal at best, the majority want their personal and convenient transport. Whereas a minority rides motorcycles and the majority perceive them as dangerous. So unless the motorcycle community becomes vocal and insists that a graduated license scheme be applied to all vehicle licensing and becomes involved in determining what is and is not excessive with regards to standards for access. You can be assured that requirements will be extremely difficult to meet and costs will be excessive. That is why rider courses are offered by the Motorcycle Safety Foundation and passing the basic level of that course is required in Michigan to obtain a license. What is unfortunate about that is it is usually offered only once a year on a single weekend through community college, though the cost is minimal. If you miss that offering then you have to find a private school, which can be costly and the schedule not so easy. Finally an industry pushing any kind of legislation on a population is not how our gov't is supposed to work. We are a federal republic where the ultimate political power is supposed to rest with the people. When that power rests with industries, consortiums, and the like that is an oligarchy. Steven [/QUOTE]
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