The Moulton Comet

Upstreeter

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I'm reading the fascinating autobiography of Alex Moulton. If you have even a passing interest in engineering it's worth a read, but what grabbed my attention was his description of modifying his own Vincent Comet with Mouton-designed 'shear' suspension. The device was favourably appraised in 'Motorcycling' dated 20th November 1947 and is described thus:

"The original Vincent HRD spring frame has been replaced by a single massive u-shaped tubular rear fork member of 1 3/4" OD by 14 swg. This accommodates the wheel spindle at its open end and has, welded to the forward portions of the loop, gusseted plates. Each of these plates is secured by six Allen screws to a central tubular bearing, joining them both and acting as a pivotal point for sprung rear wheel movement. The appearance of the Spencer Moulton prototype 'heel' suggests undue weightiness; in practice, however, the Spencer Moulton rear assembly is some 6lb lighter than that of the standard 'Comet', and it is estimated that still further saving can be affected on production jobs. Just as the elasticity of rubber is considerable on being stretched or compressed lightly, so this torsional shear of Mr Moulton's prototype reacts to finger pressure on the 'Comet' saddle; perceptible up and down movement even in sympathy with engine tick-over vibration is noticeable. With the rider mounted the deflection is 2 1/2 inches, leaving another 1 1/2 inches movement for absorption of main road shocks before the rear fork member abuts against a special rubber stop beneath the saddle. This stop, by its spongy action, allows another 1 inch movement for absorbing really severe impact. A total rear wheel arc-swing of 5 inches is provided for in this way and gives a perfectly soft ride at speeds up to 75mph."
The article is accompanied by a patent drawing.
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Doubtless this topic has been covered in the pages of MPH but although I'd vaguely heard of it I never knew the details. Moulton was a brilliant designer most famous for his Mini suspension and his bicycles, and yet he did much more. He was an active motorcyclist too often dashing off to the South of France on his BMW - and we know that at leat in 1947 he was a Vincent owner.
 

Peter Holmes

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So was the suspension basically similar to the Indespension units as seen on most trailers, basically an encased rubber block with a bonded shaft that runs through the middle of the rubber that allows some radial movement as the shaft twists within its rubber casing, if that is the case I would think that we are far better of with the standard system as there is simply no control whatsoever of bump and rebound, apart from another rubber bump stop at the upper limit of travel, all sounds a little crude and Heath Robinson to me. (last reference especially for Hugo)
 

vibrac

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Apparently returned to standard, sold by Chaterhouse last month for 38.000.
So endeth all interesting modifications in the current rush back to standard, History did not stop the day the machine left the factory. Its not just youth access that looses out to the rise in prices
 

Upstreeter

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So was the suspension basically similar to the Indespension units as seen on most trailers, basically an encased rubber block with a bonded shaft that runs through the middle of the rubber that allows some radial movement as the shaft twists within its rubber casing, if that is the case I would think that we are far better of with the standard system as there is simply no control whatsoever of bump and rebound, apart from another rubber bump stop at the upper limit of travel, all sounds a little crude and Heath Robinson to me. (last reference especially for Hugo)
I can't imagine someone with Moulton's knowledge and experience producing anything too Heath Robinson, but I may well be wrong....didn't sound awful in practice either...
 

Chris Launders

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With mountings that far apart I don't think there would be much deflection, can I also point out BSA A/B series and roadgoing Norton featherbed swinging arms were mounted on rubber bushes.
 

BigEd

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.......... can I also point out BSA A/B series and roadgoing Norton featherbed swinging arms were mounted on rubber bushes.
Two stroke buffs may know the answer; didn't some early Greeves motorcycles have rubber in the suspension of their leading link front forks?
 

vibrac

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Certainly did and I used to have a light weight Italian frame with a central single rubber block suspension component. But as I say we shall. Never know the comet is back to standard:(
 
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