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<blockquote data-quote="Oldhaven" data-source="post: 54580" data-attributes="member: 2879"><p><strong>Stone Axe Engineering</strong></p><p></p><p>Back home and able to look at my bent UFM more closely. It is in fact bent between the fork head mount and the steering column. The bad news is that the steering column is both rotated clockwise around the steering axis and bent to the right. The good news is that there is no discernible misalignment of the head mounts at the front or the rear as rods through the head mounts are parallel in all axes. It was not necessary to remove the oil tank to see this. I put a .500 tool steel rod through the front head mount fork holes, mounted it in a 1/2' collet in my milling machine, and looked at a 1" rod through the steering column. It is even measurable with a machinist's square from the mill table to the bottom face of the column, where I measure a 2 degree misalignment. It is amazing how much that moves the steering axis visually with the long rod through the column, as it is very noticeable, though I know human vision is optimized for seeing non parallel or perpendicular lines. I thought it would be more than 2 degrees. I was also right that the through hole for the tank mounts is a great indicator for misalignment by comparing it to other rods through the head mounts and sidecar holes, assuming they are straight.</p><p></p><p>I have a few more checks I want to run and need some help. My engine is not here right now, so as a minimum, could someone tell me the distance of the lateral offset from the right hand machined surfaces of the head brackets for the front and rear heads? Since this is the fork type UFM this means the outside machined surface, not inside for a slotted type. This will be a relative figure, but ideally it would be good to know the actual distance of offset from the centerline of the headstock and steering column to the right hand inside machined surfaces of the UFM. I looked in the forum and other references for this figure, but could not find it, though I was sure I had seen it somewhere. Page 6 of the Riders Handbook helps but is not the whole story.</p><p></p><p>That's the engineering part, the stone axe part is that I am going to try to straighten the UFM as a unit with the headstock in the oil tank by stabilizing the unbent part and slowly moving the bent part in a direction opposite the bends. It stands to reason that part of the oil tank is bent, and if I just fix the headstock, it will not fix that damage. I think I have a scheme to do this in a controlled way, but I need that offset figure to do it. It will be a few days until I can try it since it requires the head brackets and they are with my engine, which should be back here in a week or two...</p><p></p><p>Also found out that the rear UFM plates that hold the seat, damper and sidecar tubes are bent a bit to the left, but that is an easier thing to correct. Page 6 of the Riders Handbook will help here</p><p></p><p>Ron.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Oldhaven, post: 54580, member: 2879"] [B]Stone Axe Engineering[/B] Back home and able to look at my bent UFM more closely. It is in fact bent between the fork head mount and the steering column. The bad news is that the steering column is both rotated clockwise around the steering axis and bent to the right. The good news is that there is no discernible misalignment of the head mounts at the front or the rear as rods through the head mounts are parallel in all axes. It was not necessary to remove the oil tank to see this. I put a .500 tool steel rod through the front head mount fork holes, mounted it in a 1/2' collet in my milling machine, and looked at a 1" rod through the steering column. It is even measurable with a machinist's square from the mill table to the bottom face of the column, where I measure a 2 degree misalignment. It is amazing how much that moves the steering axis visually with the long rod through the column, as it is very noticeable, though I know human vision is optimized for seeing non parallel or perpendicular lines. I thought it would be more than 2 degrees. I was also right that the through hole for the tank mounts is a great indicator for misalignment by comparing it to other rods through the head mounts and sidecar holes, assuming they are straight. I have a few more checks I want to run and need some help. My engine is not here right now, so as a minimum, could someone tell me the distance of the lateral offset from the right hand machined surfaces of the head brackets for the front and rear heads? Since this is the fork type UFM this means the outside machined surface, not inside for a slotted type. This will be a relative figure, but ideally it would be good to know the actual distance of offset from the centerline of the headstock and steering column to the right hand inside machined surfaces of the UFM. I looked in the forum and other references for this figure, but could not find it, though I was sure I had seen it somewhere. Page 6 of the Riders Handbook helps but is not the whole story. That's the engineering part, the stone axe part is that I am going to try to straighten the UFM as a unit with the headstock in the oil tank by stabilizing the unbent part and slowly moving the bent part in a direction opposite the bends. It stands to reason that part of the oil tank is bent, and if I just fix the headstock, it will not fix that damage. I think I have a scheme to do this in a controlled way, but I need that offset figure to do it. It will be a few days until I can try it since it requires the head brackets and they are with my engine, which should be back here in a week or two... Also found out that the rear UFM plates that hold the seat, damper and sidecar tubes are bent a bit to the left, but that is an easier thing to correct. Page 6 of the Riders Handbook will help here Ron. [/QUOTE]
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