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Charging sealed batteries with Alton alternators
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<blockquote data-quote="Monkeypants" data-source="post: 43246" data-attributes="member: 2708"><p>If you go with Lithium Ion, do not go by the pb/eq rating the Li battery manufacturers like to use. These batteries have the ability to produce a very high short term amp flow for their physical size. Because of this ability to produce a high discharge rate, they are given a very high pb/eq rate, which salespeople often confuse with amp hour rating. The high pb/eq is useful for an electric start machine, but not of any use for most of our machines. We need a battery which can sustain a fairly low rate of discharge when stuck in heavy traffic at night with lighting loads and possibly ignition loads. For that type of usage, lead acid works well, at least it is predictably familiar in it's capacity.</p><p>For several years I've run a little 7 ah lead acid battery inside a battery box on my Oz Rapide. It would be nice to have a little larger battery, but space is limited with the amount of switches, fuses and wiring in the box. So this year I decided to switch to a Lithium Ion battery to free up a bit more space</p><p></p><p>. The sales rep suggested a tiny 4 cell Ballistic battery as it has a 9 pb/eq rating compared to my lead acids rating of 7 pb/eq. Unfortunately it only has an amphour rating of 2.3, so it has very little power stored even when fully charged. I have found that the battery only has enough power stored to run the bike at an idle with the headlights on for about two or three minutes, then voltage drops off a cliff as Martyn mentioned. Once voltage drops to around 12 volts, the battery more or less shuts down to protect itself.. Whereas a lead acid battery will happily continue to produce power when below 12 volts, the li battery does not.</p><p>In my case, with dual point/coil ignition, the motor dies and will not re start. </p><p>After my initial problems, with the battery precharged to about 13 volts (too low) I was going to replace the Li battery, but I have since learned that this battery needs to be kept charged at around 13.6 volts and not allowed to fall much below 12.5 volts. Fortunately the Alton with Podtonics likes to keep the battery at 13.7 volts when running at good speeds, so it may work yet. If you have a charging system that regulates the voltage much lower than this, say 12.8 to 13 volts, then a small lithium ion battery is not for you. A reallylarge one might still work , however.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Monkeypants, post: 43246, member: 2708"] If you go with Lithium Ion, do not go by the pb/eq rating the Li battery manufacturers like to use. These batteries have the ability to produce a very high short term amp flow for their physical size. Because of this ability to produce a high discharge rate, they are given a very high pb/eq rate, which salespeople often confuse with amp hour rating. The high pb/eq is useful for an electric start machine, but not of any use for most of our machines. We need a battery which can sustain a fairly low rate of discharge when stuck in heavy traffic at night with lighting loads and possibly ignition loads. For that type of usage, lead acid works well, at least it is predictably familiar in it's capacity. For several years I've run a little 7 ah lead acid battery inside a battery box on my Oz Rapide. It would be nice to have a little larger battery, but space is limited with the amount of switches, fuses and wiring in the box. So this year I decided to switch to a Lithium Ion battery to free up a bit more space . The sales rep suggested a tiny 4 cell Ballistic battery as it has a 9 pb/eq rating compared to my lead acids rating of 7 pb/eq. Unfortunately it only has an amphour rating of 2.3, so it has very little power stored even when fully charged. I have found that the battery only has enough power stored to run the bike at an idle with the headlights on for about two or three minutes, then voltage drops off a cliff as Martyn mentioned. Once voltage drops to around 12 volts, the battery more or less shuts down to protect itself.. Whereas a lead acid battery will happily continue to produce power when below 12 volts, the li battery does not. In my case, with dual point/coil ignition, the motor dies and will not re start. After my initial problems, with the battery precharged to about 13 volts (too low) I was going to replace the Li battery, but I have since learned that this battery needs to be kept charged at around 13.6 volts and not allowed to fall much below 12.5 volts. Fortunately the Alton with Podtonics likes to keep the battery at 13.7 volts when running at good speeds, so it may work yet. If you have a charging system that regulates the voltage much lower than this, say 12.8 to 13 volts, then a small lithium ion battery is not for you. A reallylarge one might still work , however. [/QUOTE]
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