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<blockquote data-quote="Prosper Keating" data-source="post: 9852" data-attributes="member: 1376"><p>I've known Patrick for more than twenty years. He caters to a certain market. One might even describe it as the top end of the market. I know others who are cheaper, some of whom are utterly reliable, some of whom are typical motor trade shysters. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The builder or refabricator of serious exotica faces much higher tooling-up outlay than someone looking to build a postwar Vincent-HRD twin lump. I can think, for instance, of four suppliers of 1000cc crankcases. The same applies to heads, barrels and plenty of other parts. Parts like outer covers have to be sourced from one or two occasional suppliers. </p><p></p><p>People setting out to reproduce Brough SS100s and whathaveyou always end up chasing the rainbow. I saw it several times when I was working in the motorcycle media back in the days before things cost what they cost now. Even the more commercially-minded romantics, like the chaps who tried to put Norton back on the map with the Rotary, or the more staid "Matchless" with the Rotax 500 lump, and came a cropper. Bloor succeeded because he eschewed romanticism and the retro market until the firm was well-established. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, and the trouble is that every fool fortunate enough to find or be left stuff like this in a barn is going to push for such prices, thereby screwing up the market. And as long as there are bankers and others looking to salt their bonuses into non-taxable holdings, we will see disruption in the values of 'collectibles' across the board. </p><p></p><p>Put it this way: trying getting an insurer to pay out 60k for a restored, original Black Shadow or the 80k mooted at one point for the replica Shadow and see how far you get! Try getting them to pay out €65,000 on your new Egli-Vincent. That's the <em>real world</em> test of values. A few surreal pieces paid at auction do not a yardstick make...</p><p></p><p>Thank heavens! </p><p></p><p><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p>PK</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Prosper Keating, post: 9852, member: 1376"] I've known Patrick for more than twenty years. He caters to a certain market. One might even describe it as the top end of the market. I know others who are cheaper, some of whom are utterly reliable, some of whom are typical motor trade shysters. The builder or refabricator of serious exotica faces much higher tooling-up outlay than someone looking to build a postwar Vincent-HRD twin lump. I can think, for instance, of four suppliers of 1000cc crankcases. The same applies to heads, barrels and plenty of other parts. Parts like outer covers have to be sourced from one or two occasional suppliers. People setting out to reproduce Brough SS100s and whathaveyou always end up chasing the rainbow. I saw it several times when I was working in the motorcycle media back in the days before things cost what they cost now. Even the more commercially-minded romantics, like the chaps who tried to put Norton back on the map with the Rotary, or the more staid "Matchless" with the Rotax 500 lump, and came a cropper. Bloor succeeded because he eschewed romanticism and the retro market until the firm was well-established. Sure, and the trouble is that every fool fortunate enough to find or be left stuff like this in a barn is going to push for such prices, thereby screwing up the market. And as long as there are bankers and others looking to salt their bonuses into non-taxable holdings, we will see disruption in the values of 'collectibles' across the board. Put it this way: trying getting an insurer to pay out 60k for a restored, original Black Shadow or the 80k mooted at one point for the replica Shadow and see how far you get! Try getting them to pay out €65,000 on your new Egli-Vincent. That's the [i]real world[/i] test of values. A few surreal pieces paid at auction do not a yardstick make... Thank heavens! :D PK [/QUOTE]
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