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Misc: Charging Systems Which PODtronics for my Alton

TouringComet

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My Godet Egli was built in 2006, and it has a Boyer Brandsen Power Box model PBOX00106 regulator, which is a three phase version. I assume, therefore, that I can replace it with the PODtronics model POD-3P? Can anyone confirm that?
 

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My main concern is fixing the battery-drain-while-the-bike-sits issue, but now that I see I may have the 3 phase version, I better pull it off, I think Bill Easter has a test rig.
 

bmetcalf

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I have a disconnect for my battery like this and unplug after each ride*: https://www.amazon.com/connector-Di...+pole+trailer+connector&qid=1609373766&sr=8-8

What gauge wire do you need for the starter current draw? There are probably heavier gauge connectors to use.

* And hope to remember to reconnect before the next ride. I haven't checked to see if my 1999 vintage Alton to see if it really does drain the battery.
 

vibrac

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I have a disconnect for my battery like this and unplug after each ride*: https://www.amazon.com/connector-Di...+pole+trailer+connector&qid=1609373766&sr=8-8

What gauge wire do you need for the starter current draw? There are probably heavier gauge connectors to use.

* And hope to remember to reconnect before the next ride. I haven't checked to see if my 1999 vintage Alton to see if it really does drain the battery.
As I understand it its the regulators vintage that dictates if the battery drains not the Alton
 

SteveF

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Correct, the source of electrons (dynamo, alternator, flux-capacitor) doesn't matter - it's the regulator which typically causes any leaking.
If you have a multimeter you can measure it.
  • Set the meter to measure current,
  • Switch off anything on the bike which might draw current - might seem obvious but...
  • Remove the wire(s) from one side of the battery so that the battery pole has no other connections,
  • Connect one side of the meter to the wire(s) you just removed from the battery and the pole on the battery which now has no wires on it,
  • You are now measuring the total leakage of your electrical system,
  • If the current is more than a couple of milli-amps something is leaky, if not then everything is good and you don't need any magical extra switchery.
If it's more than a few milli-amps it may be the regulator. On the other hand, you might have other stuff on the bike which leaks depending upon what state your bike is.
I have an Alton and Podtronics regulator and the battery never leaked away. OTOH, I don't use automotive batteries on the bike as I don't have electric start so don't need a massive battery.
All batteries self-discharge to some extent typically getting much worse as they get old.

Hope this is clear, let me know if it's not and I'll try again.

Cheers - Steve
 

TouringComet

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The battery has a heavy gauge cable that goes to a solenoid for the starter, that does not apparently contribute to the power leak. The other wire coming off the battery has a fuse, which I usually disconnect when parking the bike. The battery will hold a charge when I disconnect that fuse. There is also a keyed switch, for at least the ignition, but apparently not for everything. From many comments on the internet, many others with a battery drain problem change nothing else but the regulator, to a PODtronics, and the drain is gone. I will trace the wiring, to see if I can use the keyed switch to fully isolate the battery, but I am interested in the PODtronics if indeed my current regulator contributes to the problem.

I like old school connectors similar to this 4 prong one. I have a round 2 prong one on my other Vincent’s, my father had put one on the Shadow back in the day. At least they are period correct.

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vibrac

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There is nothing wrong with the regulayor that comes with the current Alton but the one they used earlier did leak here is the current one from spares
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timetraveller

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Yes, it asked me twice to identify pictures containing boats before it would show me the product. Perhaps the 'Trump' thought police do not want any of that European socialist influence creeping into the States. I could not tell from the photos as to whether this is a waterproof connector.
 

bmetcalf

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If you want one, I can help, PM me. NAPA probably doesn't want to deal with potential international lost shipping claims in these times. Also, it looks like on that page they are not available to NAPA for anyone. I'll inquire on Monday to see if they are available from the manufacturer.

I wouldn't say they are waterproof. After connecting the wires in the setscrew terminals, I pack the boot with silicon seal as I slide it over the connector half. At the joint between the halves, submersion could short it, but then you have bigger troubles than a short!
 

LoneStar

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Not keen to sell to me in Switzerland it seems.

Very irritating to encounter this. We in the US get the same treatment from VMCC, which advertises its spares in MPH but refuses to ship to US or Canada. This may be from fear of product liability suits, yet the concern doesn't deter most other suppliers.
 

vibrac

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Very irritating to encounter this. We in the US get the same treatment from VMCC, which advertises its spares in MPH but refuses to ship to US or Canada. This may be from fear of product liability suits, yet the concern doesn't deter most other suppliers.
Blame the US lawyers and ambulance chasers, its getting as bad in the UK some say the worse thing Maggie Thatcher did was the pole tax, I say it was letting lawyers advertise, they were only allowed a brass plate at their office before, what a sensible idea.
 

TouringComet

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Bill Easter's test rig panned out, my Alton is not producing output. I suspect the internal drive mechanism has failed.

Here is a picture of the test rig, but that is not my Alton in the test rig, it is actually one of the prototype Altons, that we put in to make sure the meter was working. I will purchase a new Alton, and with the included PODtronics, hopefully solve the leakage that drains the battery as well.

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TouringComet

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Info from Paul Hamon, there have been 5 generations of Altons.

1st gen 1996-1998 prototypes and pre-production
2nd gen 1999-2004 big ferrite magnets, planetary gear, steel body, late ones alloy body
3rd gen 2004-2006 multiplication gears, three phase, neodymium magnets
4th gen 2006-2008 multiplication gears, single phase, new neodymium magnets
5th gen 2009- full redesign direct drive, no gears inside


In the first picture, the one on the left is a 3 phase 3rd gen. The one on the right is a 5th gen. In the second picture, the top one is 3rd gen, bottom is 5th gen. The 3rd gen is about 1.5" longer than the 5th gen.
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