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V55/5 how to fill it in ?



alscomet

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#1
A friend of mine has bought a bike[ not a Vincent} without checking the V5c actually matches the bike,which it doesnt. Vmcc have told him it now needs registering as a reconstructed classic but I think it just needs registering as a bike thats not previously been registered at all,without numberplates or and old tax disc etc
he is worried that it may end up with a Q plate which is not correct.
What should he do to end up with a V5c,age related number and Historic vehicle status.
The bike is a 1953 frame with a 1957 engine,no parts newer than 25 years and is just a complete running bike in standard trim.
 

vin998

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#2
What is the make of the bike? Reason for asking is the owner will need a dating certificate from the appropriate owners club. The VMCC cannot date everything. As an example they cannot date Vincent's as the DVLA will now only accept certificates from the VOC.
Simon
 

alscomet

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#3
Simon its a Velocette but VMCC can date them if they hold the record on that frame and engine, Grove have some frame records for springer velos.
 

vin998

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#4
If a vehicle is assembled from componnents collected over the years then it is considered a reconstructed classic. If it is an original bike that has just had the engine changed years ago, but was bought as one complete bike then it is a grey area but usually just treated as a std bike and not reconstructed classic. It sounds like the latter is the case as it was bought as a complete bike that has previously been used with a registration which has errors in it.
My recomendation would be for the owner to contact the Velocette owners club official who is registered with the DVLA to deal with such matters. I will send you a private message with their contact details.
Simon
 

vin998

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#6
If you send me an email then I can reply with a document attached explaining how to fill the forms in etc. it is aimed at Vincent's but the basics is the same. Email addresss is inside fromt of MPH (machine registrar).
For age related application you will need:

Dating certificate
V55/5 (most questions ignored)
Two printed photos of the complete bike.
They don't ask for photos of the engine and frame numbers but I recommend they are included.
MOT or V112 declareing no MOT required.
Payment of £55 to DVLA
Payment for taxing the vehicle (zero if historic) as the DVLA will tax the vehicle at the same time it registers it.
Proof of identification of the owner.

Insurance certificate is not required, but as soon as the owner is notified of the new registration, get it insured ASAP as the vehicle will have been taxed. The DVLA know you cannot insure it under the new reg until they issue it.

Simon
 

vin998

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#7
Here is how to fill in the mysterious V55/5 for an age related application. For V765 applications to reclaim an original reg its slightly different as you also answer question 1 - enter original registration and question 45 - date of original registration.

1. Leave blank as registration currently unknown
2. Insert “Historic”
3. Leave blank
4. Leave blank
5. Insert “Vincent”
6. Insert “Vincent”
7. Enter that model as described on the dating certificate
8. Insert “Motorcycle”
9. Insert “2 wheel”
10. Insert the major colour of the motorcycle
11. to 26 leave blank
27. Insert the manufacturing year of the youngest major component from the certificate.
30. Insert “Petrol”
31. Insert the frame number as stamped on the headstock. Be very careful it is correct and / doesn't look like a 1.
32. Insert the engine number as stamped on the engine. Again be careful it is correct and / doesn't look like a 1.
33. Insert the cubic capacity of the engine (i.e. 998cc)
34. to 47 leave blank.
Now turn over to:
49. Fill in your details. Ignore the DVLA fleet No.
50. Your date of birth
51. "Exempt by age"
Then sign and date the declaration.
 

vibrac

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#9
You still have the twerps at the DVLA to cope with its a month and 3 phone calls since I sent my change of engine number v65 to them. They returned all the documentation asking me to correct the v65 where indicated but left the v65 out!
 

vibrac

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#11
Sorting my Douglas they said they only accept original documents supprised Aylesbury county archives did not want me to send their leather bound 1949 registration book with the matching frame and reg number entry in !!!
 

vin998

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#12
Sorting my Douglas they said they only accept original documents supprised Aylesbury county archives did not want me to send their leather bound 1949 registration book with the matching frame and reg number entry in !!!
The DVLA will accept extracted copies of the council records if it is certified by the council archives department or extracted and typed out on a council archives headed letter. I have used such copies to help owners reclaim original registrations with the DVLA.
Also when applying to reclaim an original registration via the V765 scheme the DVLA will accept copies of the original council logbook (so they cannot loose the original) as long as the copies have been made and certified with the stamp and signature of the official in the club processing the application who is registered with the DVLA. For the VOC that's the Machine registrar.

The DVLA won't accept copies of documents done by the owner.
Simon
 

Colin

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#13
As Dave says keep a copy of EVERYTHING you send the DVLA> Also , although it is a b----y nuisance send really important things from a Post Office and get a Certificate of posting (or even recorded delivery). Record, verbatim, anything said over the phone as well. The DVLA is just about the most incompetent organisation you are forced to deal with. I have a number of files to prove that statement, and a recent cheque from them as recompense for the inconvenience and expense they put me to. If you have real trouble with them COMPLAIN in writing, and keep on complaining, (if met with stonewalling escalate the complaint to your MP)
 

Bill Thomas

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#14
As Dave says keep a copy of EVERYTHING you send the DVLA> Also , although it is a b----y nuisance send really important things from a Post Office and get a Certificate of posting (or even recorded delivery). Record, verbatim, anything said over the phone as well. The DVLA is just about the most incompetent organisation you are forced to deal with. I have a number of files to prove that statement, and a recent cheque from them as recompense for the inconvenience and expense they put me to. If you have real trouble with them COMPLAIN in writing, and keep on complaining, (if met with stonewalling escalate the complaint to your MP)
Please don't upset them !, I might want some help this year.
If you are in another Club, Try to find a Simon !!, He got me mine in 20 days from scratch !.
Cheers Bill.
 

Steve Morris

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#16
Just a tip, as i have just been through this.

Phone the NOVA people (google it number is on the website). Make sure the bike is on they're database. Mine wasn't and it delayed the process a couple of months...
 

vin998

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#17
Whenever the DVLA register a vehicle they always check to see if it is flagged on the customs NOVA (Notifications of Vehicle Arrival) system. If it is flagged on NOVA then the DVLA will not register the vehicle until NOVA is cleared.
A vehicle gets on NOVA at the time its been permanently imported into UK. That is even for a vehicle that was originally built in the UK. It is only cleared off NOVA when it is cleared by either paying any import duty due or proving no duty was due.
If the DVLA for any reason suspect a vehicle is an import (it may say on a dating certificate) then they will insist on NOVA clearance.
If a bike has never been or not suspected of ever been exported then NOVA clearance is not required for age related applications. So I suspect your vehicle Steve had either been imported sometime or was suspected of been imported.
Simon
 

Jim Richardson

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#18
A friend has recently purchased a UK built Bullet that was bought back India in the early 80's.
It has never had a UK registration and the more you look at it the worse it gets as it looks like the engine number has been polished off then partially restamped and the frame number is garbage.
I feel it may end up as a parts bike, which is a pity as it has a lot of character.
 

alscomet

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#19
Just to update you on my friends registration .The DVLA were having none of the V55/5 to register the vehicle as they actually had on file a log book which didn't fit the numbers presented and as such have issued a 17 digit frame number to attach to the head stock,then have it verified by a reputable garage and have now issued a new age related number and number plate authorisation.I realise I do not have access to all the correspondence with the DVLA I only really know the end result. Thank you for all the comments
 


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