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TPV Billet Frame Cafe Racer, Simon Leake 2019

Little Honda

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It´s so easy: If you are young, healthy, rich, ably talented and have a lot of time, you can build something like
this nice machine!
 

Albervin

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I like to think I played a very small part in that build. The painter rang me and asked if I had any Vincent scroll transfers. Of course I did. He had three days to finish the job and no time to obtain any via mail. I suggested he also place a Mercury transfer on the centre top of the tank. No, he said. BUT all Vincents have the Mercury crest! It has a Mercury crest.
 

vibrac

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It´s so easy: If you are young, healthy, rich, ably talented and have a lot of time, you can build something like
this nice machine!
And live in a country that allows you to run an air cooled 1950design engine in a new bike
 

roy the mechanic

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I saw this on "faceache" earlier. It looks good, but it has issues . Some more important than others. My norvin has seven first class concours wins, I reckon that gives me the right to be picky.
 
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Albervin

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Sounds fair but
1) What are the issues?
2) Do you ride your Norvin or just show it?
 

roy the mechanic

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It appears I missed a bit out. The mudguards look too close to the tyres to account for the "fling" at speed. The fuel pipes could do with some sorting, looks untidy to me . My own bike has been ridden on several occasions will ride it more when I can make it legal.
 

vibrac

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Nice special,the shape of the fairing headlamp and the thick telie legs remind me of something about a production or prototype bike I saw long ago can anyone help me? Perhaps it was at an Earls Court show
 

Little Honda

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It appears I missed a bit out. The mudguards look too close to the tyres to account for the "fling" at speed. The fuel pipes could do with some sorting, looks untidy to me . My own bike has been ridden on several occasions will ride it more when I can make it legal.
Roy,
from what I see on the picture, the tyres are new and the mudguards front and rear are very stiffly laid out
and are (my guess) app. 3/8" away from the new tyre thread, which is not too narrow. You must not mix up
these mudguards with the rolled alloy items you are getting over the counter, everywhere.
From my point of view, this is a near perfect variant of a modern Vincent - end of sentence.
 

Glenliman

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Very nice looking machine.

The article mentions that it is 1200cc. They have used the Terry Prince 92 mm top ends and a standard stroke crank. The output given is 115 HP with 11 to ones and 90 HP with 9 to ones that they are using.
A compression increase from 9 to one to 11 to one on its own wouldn't give that size of power increase, according to all that I have read on that subject. The effect of CR raises alone is well documented with dynomometer testing.
The Wallace Racing CR calculator says that a 90 HP nine to 1 engine will produce 91.95 HP at 11 to one, no other changes.
To obtain the 25 HP output increase mentioned, your Friday night changeover wouldn't be limited to changing the pistons. There would be a new cam going in, probably bigger carbs and a change in ignition timing.
If I was doing the work and really hurrying, the bike would be all ready to go by Monday morning when it was time to change back to the 9 to one setup! So I think that makes a great story but is unlikely to occur.
But I doubt the bike will get ever used in that way. It is likely more of what Terry P refers to as one of his " Coffee Shop Racers". This differs from a cafe racer.
He explained that a lot of his customers want a machine to cruise down to the local coffee shop with, then display to friends and admirers.
And it displays very well!
I think they are missing a lot of fun with the docile setup in there.
My Special is at 10.8 to one with the MK5 cams, 41 mm Dellortos, Pazon racing ignition etc, and it's still really quite tractible when it needs to be.

On edit- I see the bike is e start. It could be that the lower Cr. was needed to allow the estart to work.
At 10.8 or 11 to one these TP engines with the large squish band are extremely difficult to roll over. On the other hand, at 9 to one it's doubtful that the squish is even in effect. At clearances above 60 thou it doesn't do it's job. I didn't really want 10.8 but had to go there to get the squish at 40 thou.
It all works, no ping.

Glen
 
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Little Honda

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Very nice looking machine.

The article mentions that it is 1200cc. They have used the Terry Prince 92 mm top ends and a standard stroke crank. The output given is 115 HP with 11 to ones and 90 HP with 9 to ones that they are using.
A compression increase from 9 to one to 11 to one on its own wouldn't give that size of power increase, according to all that I have read on that subject. The effect of CR raises alone is well documented with dynomometer testing.
The Wallace Racing CR calculator says that a 90 HP nine to 1 engine will produce 91.95 HP at 11 to one, no other changes.
To obtain the 25 HP output increase mentioned, your Friday night changeover wouldn't be limited to changing the pistons. There would be a new cam going in, probably bigger carbs and a change in ignition timing.
If I was doing the work and really hurrying, the bike would be all ready to go by Monday morning when it was time to change back to the 9 to one setup! So I think that makes a great story but is unlikely to occur.
But I doubt the bike will get ever used in that way. It is likely more of what Terry P refers to as one of his " Coffee Shop Racers". This differs from a cafe racer.
He explained that a lot of his customers want a machine to cruise down to the local coffee shop with, then display to friends and admirers.
And it displays very well!
I think they are missing a lot of fun with the docile setup in there.
My Special is at 10.8 to one with the MK5 cams, 41 mm Dellortos, Pazon racing ignition etc, and it's still really quite tractible when it needs to be.

On edit- I see the bike is e start. It could be that the lower Cr. was needed to allow the estart to work.
At 10.8 or 11 to one these TP engines with the large squish band are extremely difficult to roll over. On the other hand, at 9 to one it's doubtful that the squish is even in effect. At clearances above 60 thou it doesn't do it's job. I didn't really want 10.8 but had to go there to get the squish at 40 thou.
It all works, no ping.

Glen
just like Sean Connery in "Red October": "send one PING!"
 

Simon Leake

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It's just a bit of fun really. Don't get stressed. Just to show that the great name "Vincent" is still alive and kicking. If you want transport, get a Honda C110, or maybe a Vespa. But there is no doubt in the world that the Vincent V twin engine is possible the most beautiful ever made by the hands of men.
 

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Glenliman

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What's wrapped around that engine looks awfully nice too, Simon. Very well done!
I'm determined to get my Special out there and graduate it from coffee shop racer status into full cafe racerhood this year.
The odometer is starting to show some miles (9,000) so it might qualify soon.

Glen
 

Simon Leake

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Thanks mate. I wanted to preserve the organic rounded classical curves which the Egli frame really jars with in my aesthetic so the exhaust and subframe are all "curvy" and show the timing chest. EFI is magic and it is sufficiently tuned to run in a bit. Sounds amazing. Next step is to get club plates and a photo shoot. A couple of mags are interested so keep your eyes out this year. I don't know the horsepower but as soon as we run it in a bit we will get it on the Dyno for top end tuning and find out! Next project is a Comet with one of the last sets of cases Terry has before he retires completely. Just waiting on the TT gearbox from NZ.
 

litnman

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Is the front brake master cylinder a permanent fixture??
 
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Simon Leake

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It was the smallest miniature we could find and my idea was to match a bit of the gold bling on the throttle bodies etc from the left side but you are not the first to point this out mate. I dont know if it can be mounted somewhere else, inside the fairing maybe but thought they always have to be at the highest point. If not, glad to learn.
 

Simon Leake

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OK everyone. I'll try to answer all your questions. There is no Mercury scroll but I have just ordered one from VOC parts. I am thinking of spraying all the (cursed) alloy in this new "ceramic" coating everyone talks about but Dutchy from Wollongong did a great job on the paintwork. It is 1200cc using TPV top ends but tuned down. My intension is not to race it but some future owner could tune it up again, hence the good story. We did increase the gap between the tyre and the mudguard, you were right, even little stones got caught. It's still a virgin, running but not yet ridden. I was going to ride it tonight but there's bushfires and it's currently 41 degC. I guess the oil will already be thin!! Terry Prince has been through Hell. 6 weeks of constant bushfire danger. He's safe now and back at work on several engines but needs your help. Spread the word about his absolutely incredible alloy billet frame. It's the greatest Vincent innovation since 1954, Egli included. And way better than the materials Phil had to work with in the aftermath of the greatest war the world has ever seen.
 

vibrac

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It was the smallest miniature we could find and my idea was to match a bit of the gold bling on the throttle bodies etc from the left side but you are not the first to point this out mate. I dont know if it can be mounted somewhere else, inside the fairing maybe but thought they always have to be at the highest point. If not, glad to learn.
It doesn't have to be a proprietary item so long as its out of appropriate material I have seen a 3" length of plugged petrol hose for a reservior on rear brakes on racers I dont suggest thats the way but with a bit of ingenuity, a lathe and mill....
 

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