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"The forum design is a complete and utter mess and you can't find anything"

Graham Smith

VOC Hon. Editor
VOC Member
VOC Forum Administrator
VOC Forum Moderator
Earlier on, I had a member of the Club contact me by telephone, and told me that he finds our forum design a complete mess and that's he's unable to find anything.

This I'm particularly interested in, because I'd like to know if other people suffer the same problem?

Halfway though the conversation, he did mention to me that he has a bookmark that he uses to access the forum and that bookmark links to 'What's New' rather than the homepage.

This is what he sees every time he visits…
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As I explained to him, the trouble with doing this is that it's a bit like opening an encyclopaedia - if you open it right in the middle and don't bother looking at the contents or index, it should come as no surprise that you'll never be able to find what you're looking for.

I've gone to great lengths to ensure at the bottom of each page is a big black footer with a load of links broken down into three distinct categories:
Technical / The Club / Miscellaneous. This footer appears at the bottom of EVERY page wherever you are.
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Interestingly, during our conversation, this guy mentioned that he could't find the Club's Riders' Roll of Honour recipients, but when I visited the Home Page, I'm presented with a certificate which links to all of our recipients.
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I'm not sure how much longer our forum will last as it currently stands, but if any one has any suggestions on what I can tell this guy, or how I can improve the navigation, then I'd really appreciate it.
 

ray vinmad

VOC Drawings Manager
VOC Member
I know we are all a bit `infatuated' about Vincents, but I have to say that I think that the page header is the best & most eye catching I have ever come across from any web source. And all the links & menus are there across the top area. My only criticism is that perhaps the `search' area could `stand out' more. But Norman is correct, you need to get the key words right.
I too have a desktop link direct to new posts, after all that is what is going on on any decent forum. But above the `new posts' box is the `Home' button..... So what is the problem? Also, to see if anything has been added to the `hidden' humour, we now only need to click on the `Forums' button (next to the home button if you need the guidance!) & scroll down to the Humour area.

Reading Graham's original post again, perhaps, especially during our lockdown, Sunday evenings should be a time to relax. Not phone him up for a totally undeserved rant.
Keep up the good work Graham.

Absolutely drenched of Bexleyheath.
 

ClassicBiker

Well Known and Active Website User
VOC Member
I don't have an difficultly navigating this forum as it is. The only issue I have is that search engine doesn't seem to support Boolean operators when I do a search, but then again neither does Google, so I've quite trying and just work with it and wade through what results I get to find what I'm after. To be totally honest that is such a minor issue to me really that it only occurs to me when someones asks questions about the search function. So I am at a loss as to why the Exec, or anyone else for that matter, wants to upset this particular apple cart. Though the thought does come to mind that someone wants to be able to claim they did something positive for the VOC and this forum happens to have been blessed with their attention.
 

Albervin

Well Known and Active Website User
VOC Member
I used to receive a phone call from a gent nearly every week telling what a bunch of useless %$#&&^*@#$$%^ the people running the forum were. After a few minutes I talked him though it but because he didn't then bookmark we went through the same conversation the following week. I was my groundhog hell!!
 

Graham Smith

VOC Hon. Editor
VOC Member
VOC Forum Administrator
VOC Forum Moderator
I used to receive a phone call from a gent nearly every week telling what a bunch of useless %$#&&^*@#$$%^ the people running the forum were. After a few minutes I talked him though it but because he didn't then bookmark we went through the same conversation the following week. I was my groundhog hell!!
I bet I can guess who that was!

No matter what, I reckon you'll always get someone who thinks they can do something better, but they rarely roll their sleeves up to get stuck in.

I used to like it at meetings when someone used to say "what we should be doing is…" Everett's response was always on the money.
 

Denny653

Active Website User
VOC Member
Earlier on, I had a member of the Club contact me by telephone, and told me that he finds our forum design a complete mess and that's he's unable to find anything.

This I'm particularly interested in, because I'd like to know if other people suffer the same problem?

Halfway though the conversation, he did mention to me that he has a bookmark that he uses to access the forum and that bookmark links to 'What's New' rather than the homepage.

This is what he sees every time he visits…
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As I explained to him, the trouble with doing this is that it's a bit like opening an encyclopaedia - if you open it right in the middle and don't bother looking at the contents or index, it should come as no surprise that you'll never be able to find what you're looking for.

I've gone to great lengths to ensure at the bottom of each page is a big black footer with a load of links broken down into three distinct categories:
Technical / The Club / Miscellaneous. This footer appears at the bottom of EVERY page wherever you are.
View attachment 39708


Interestingly, during our conversation, this guy mentioned that he could't find the Club's Riders' Roll of Honour recipients, but when I visited the Home Page, I'm presented with a certificate which links to all of our recipients.
View attachment 39707



I'm not sure how much longer our forum will last as it currently stands, but if any one has any suggestions on what I can tell this guy, or how I can improve the navigation, then I'd really appreciate it.
Graham, you will never please everyone. I am new to Vincent motorcycles, but I have a 50 year jistory. With H-D's, BMW's, and a Ducati. I have needed guidance with my Shadow, and the members of the club have really treated me well. Have a question? Just ask.
 

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