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The Battle of Britain

Colin

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This afternoon (26th September 2020) I stood on an airfield in Kent, and watched a lone Spitfire chase a Messerschmitt Me109, through the skies. Thankfully no-one was killed or injured, in this mock battle. Some 80 years previously, and no more than 20 miles from where I stood today, I may have been watching the same thing, being fought out in anger, but, fortunately, I have no recollection of that.
After a few passes, two more Spitfires and a Hurricane joined in, and the watchers were treated to several passes of a "V" formation of three Spitfires escorting the ME109 with the Hurricane bringing up the rear, all accompanied by the fabulous roar of four Merlins and a Daimler-Benz .
What a sight, but thank God we are all friends now.
 

timetraveller

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We in the Kent and Sussex section of the VOC were lucky enough to know Bob and Beryl Peacham who were our hosts at their farmhouse for over fifty years. On one occasion Beryl told me that as a young girl she remembered the air fight going on above her as she went out to rescue her horse from the fields. The unfortunate animal was killed by a stray bullet as she made her way to it, and it could so easily have been Beryl. We were also lucky enough to have Joe Karasek as a member. He was on the other side during the war, taken prisoner and put to work on a farm in the South East where he settled and married an English woman. It was he who saved the Vincent three wheeler from almost certain destruction by buying it from Harpers when he heard of its existence. As a scientist who has worked with people from many parts of the world I have come to realise that it is not the people who are the problem but the self serving, lying politicians. The VOC is a very good example how people from many different backgrounds can share some of the joys of life without anyone having to be disadvantaged. We are lucky to live in the time that we do, covid not withstanding.
 

Mike 40M

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I thought the only still airworthy Me109s are the Spanish built with Merlin engines.
So maybe 5 Merlins and no DB?
 

oexing

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My guess, more DB engined Me109 flying than with Merlins - which were Spanish Buchons anyway. At least three Me 109 in my country , in a few places, some in restauration. The Hendon "Black Six" was powered by DB engine too , till damaged and locked down by your ministry.
And yes, people seldomly start wars but those in power do who use all sorts of propaganda to follow their plans. And all too often the people seem to be too stupid to see - or have no chance to prevent anything.

Vic
 

greg brillus

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The ME 109 started and finished it's life with Rolls Royce engines........Not hard to spot with the exhaust stubs exiting low on the cowl........A keen ear will pick the difference, as the DB engines much larger than the Merlin's, and therefor lower revving.
 

Little Honda

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We in the Kent and Sussex section of the VOC were lucky enough to know Bob and Beryl Peacham who were our hosts at their farmhouse for over fifty years. On one occasion Beryl told me that as a young girl she remembered the air fight going on above her as she went out to rescue her horse from the fields. The unfortunate animal was killed by a stray bullet as she made her way to it, and it could so easily have been Beryl. We were also lucky enough to have Joe Karasek as a member. He was on the other side during the war, taken prisoner and put to work on a farm in the South East where he settled and married an English woman. It was he who saved the Vincent three wheeler from almost certain destruction by buying it from Harpers when he heard of its existence. As a scientist who has worked with people from many parts of the world I have come to realise that it is not the people who are the problem but the self serving, lying politicians. The VOC is a very good example how people from many different backgrounds can share some of the joys of life without anyone having to be disadvantaged. We are lucky to live in the time that we do, covid not withstanding.
Norman, how right you are! Some 25 years ago, I accompanied a friend to the airshow at Duxford in a Cessna
172, which was based at Porta Westfalica in Germany. We had to land in Southend, a coastal airfield near Dover
for our customs declaration. I remember the sound of the steel staircases up to the Tower Office like yesterday.
After a short chat with the officer there, having our duties completed, he asked: " Do you want to see 2 WW2-
fighters land and start again?" Of course, we did! We were allowed onto the gangway around the tower in
perfect sunshine, when a Spitfire and a Mustang appeared to land. Both pilots had to come to the tower officer,
as well and informed us, that they both were flying at the Royal Air Force, but flew these historical fighters for
their owners to a german air show for demonstration. After they had left again, the officer adressed us again:
"Wait, to see them leave, they might perform a low- pass." Which they did! Their cabins being in eye height of
us, app. 20yds away, leaving us with the marvellous sound of 24 Merlin cylinders on full song!
 

Colin

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Michael. Glad you enjoyed the Spitfire and Mustang, in Kent.I recall going to an airshow in Germany many, many years ago, probably on a ride out from Kurt Schupp's Rally to somewhere fairly close by. I have two recollections of it. First I gave a pillion ride to a young German lad who wanted a lift, but it was clear he had not ridden pillion before. He clutched at me and sat upright on every corner,making getting round such corner a hairy experience!! (He found another lift back! Good job or I would have found one for him!) Second was watching a Storch coming in to land into the wind, and practically stationary before dropping to the ground and stopping (seemingly) in a few feet.
Mike, Vic and Greg. I couldn't distinguish a D-B engine from four surrounding Merlins, even if I was close enough. There was also a strong wind blowing, which was making my eyes water a bit, (?) so detail was not always that clear, but it was some sight and some sound. Glad I saw and heard it.
 

vibrac

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Is the Storch the plane Hanna Reitsch dropped onto the Unter Den Linden or some temporary runway while the Ruskies were lobbing shells in ? I beleve she popped in to offer Hitler a ride out!
 

bmetcalf

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Late Club member Bob Cassidy had a Grumman Hellcat that he flew for us during the 1978 North American Rally.
 

Little Honda

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That´s it, seen at Kassel-Calden 4 Years ago at the Wheels and Wings meeting with racing at the old airfield
there. They got the Lufthansa JU 52 a week ago at Paderborn Lippstadt to be put into the Quax-Hangar (after a known film with late German actor Heinz Rühmann in "Quax, der Bruchpilot"). The JU was grounded after the crash of the Swiss JU in the alps some years ago. The airport Paderborn Lippstadt went bankrupt a month ago and will possibly continue as an aerodrome in the future, hopefully.
 

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vibrac

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Padderborn is the airfield near to Hamlin (town of pied piper fame) I worked there a few years ago its old town is really quaint with medieval streets and timbered buildings, walking to the hotel one night with a German colleague I remarked how well preserved the buildings were.
"Yes" he said "The Lancasters did not get here"
 

Little Honda

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Padderborn is the airfield near to Hamlin (town of pied piper fame) I worked there a few years ago its old town is really quaint with medieval streets and timbered buildings, walking to the hotel one night with a German colleague I remarked how well preserved the buildings were.
"Yes" he said "The Lancasters did not get here"
I worked there 39 years ago and went there 2 weeks ago for a memorial tour to see old places. Some fotos
of this trip. Hameln has a long flourmilling history, over 1000years. None of them is still in operation. The
red building is a mill, built in 1890, now hosting the library of Hameln and a good restaurant with the old
generator and mechanics of the old 1889 hydropower plant. Lots of technical drawings on the walls.
The yellow building was - at my time - the fifth largest flour mill in Germany, processing 850metric tons per day,
now sold to some investors since 2015. The grain silo on the other foto for 30.000tons grain.
Last foto: Passing the river Weser 40 miles south at Grohnde with the old ferry, run only by the flow of the
river Weser.
Day´s end at the Tonenburg, Hoexter, a most recommendable motorcyclists hotel in a 12th century castle -
nice and cheap!
 

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oexing

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Some clarification about Me 109 if you don´t mind: Only for the first test aircraft a Rolls-Royce Kestrel 700 hp V 12 was utilized as no DB 600 engine was ready for installation in 1935. The second aircraft had the Junkers Jumo 210 , inverted fuel injected V 12 like the DB 600 series as the 109 was designed for inverted V 12 engines from the beginning.
The upright Merlin engine ruined the perfect lines of the Me 109 post war but for the Spanish version Buchon no more DB engines or Jumos were available in the fifties so no other choices at that time. Have a look at the two videoclips below for comparison Buchon - Me 109 , that is Merlin vs. DB 605 , sounds very different .
One trouble spot on the Merlin today may come at no surprise to Vincenteers, wear on cams and followers: Judging from the photos the Merlin "fingers" were drilled to supply oil to the cams but as was learned from the past this idea is not as great as hoped and no hardchroming would help much when the drilling arrives at a spot of highest load: Any "lubrication" hole there wrecks the oil film wedge that may have built . Either you provide oil jets onto cams or have the camshaft drilled all along and have holes on cams right before lift begins.
In consequence I welded up all holes in the cam followers and have all oil go into the camshafts with extra flow in there. Hoping for some oil coming down along the pushrods and finding its way into these holes in a flying follower is wishful thinking.
The DB 600 series like the Jumos and Allisons all had roller followers for this reason so at least no headache here, don´t know about other weaknesses in these engines.

Vic

Merlin Buchon 109 clip
Buchon video

Me 109 DB 605 video:
Me 109 DB 605 video

Merlin fingers:
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Merlin fingers.jpg

DB 605 roller followers:
DB 605 rollers.jpg

DB 605 camshaft.jpg

Welded follower:
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Little Honda

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Thank you both for yr historical documentation! The films are brilliant in technique and style. Detail fotos, too.
This combination of DB605 with Spitfire to me has a certain similarity to the Norvin idea. It has been an intermediate step to the ultimate Prop Fighter Plane, the TA154 of Focke-Wulf, the fastest prop driven aircraft
of all time.
Must hear that sound again....
 

Little Honda

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Oexing,
with yr cam follower mod you are in the wear centre of the engine! PEI describes in one of his books, that they
had a glassed timing cover on a test engine during development, to observe lubrication there. He mentioned,
that they had visible sparking at high revs!
Years ago, I asked myself when watching the pulsing oil flow into my oil tank, if these pulses also appear at the
cam followers. If so, it can be asumed, that not every time, the oil comes out in the right position of the cam, ie,
when being under the cam follower. There is quite a wide arc, when oil may come out of the cam and dissapear
into the lower crankcase with zero lubrication to the cam.
Thinking, that the pulse comes out when the oil pump is at tdc, I did a calculation, how many revs the crank
has to make, to see the cam in the perfect position to lubricate the camfollower. I do not remember in detail,
but it was something in the sixties! That means , the majority of pulses fail their duty!
 

Colin

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Michael(s) Both of them.!
Some years back we had a super rally at Tonenburg, and some stayed in the Motorcyclist Hotel.
Would love to go back again
 

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