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In keeping with the thread, more on the evolution of marring Black Lightning's two twins and getting them to enjoy each other's company. The first try was with standard triple row chain. Using the lessons learned with the sampling device, the front engine leading the rear by 12 degrees (close as I could get) worked long enough to do a little testing and make it to the salt. Don Vesco was to ride the liner. We arrived with a small crew, few in the Vincent community even knew the liner existed. The Vesco team's TURBINATOR was Vesco's primary ride and rightfully so, he was back in southern Cal. taking care of loose ends on the car as he was trying for a wheel driven record and was hoping for a 500MPH trip down the salt. That gave us time to start the
liner a few times, destroying the standard chain. I made a call to Vescos shop and Sonny's shop and made arrangements for a chain from Sonny's shop be brought to the salt by the Vesco team. Wouldn't you know it, the chain was for a Norton, a bit to long. what to do , finally Big D out of Texas who was running the twin engine Triumph had a spare master link for the chain . We fixed the chain, Vesco made a couple of half passes, smoked the special V2 clutch I had made out of Australia, that put us on the trailer on our first bout with the great white dyno. (more later)
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Since the first go at the salt, the liner has went thru 5 different clutches, all hand made special for the liner, 5 different try's at the coupling
of the engines. The last try was done in Hartmut's shop in Germany , using my design both clutch and coupling gears only made stronger, the gears are from a Hilbrand quick change rear end, big and strong. The new build by Hartmut has with stood 573 hp dyno pulls. Subject for tomorrow will be on fuel.

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To answer Alyn's question, if you were to couple two 100 hp Vincents, would the dyno read 200? The answer is no , frictions of the coupling means would reduce the reading by the amount of the friction read in hp. The Vincent liner has had various fuel mixtures, 80-10 and 10 , 50% nitro mix , and straight
alcohol . At present the liner is on 100% alcohol. I might add when the liner was first built the size of the engines were 1000 cc each , they are now 1500 cc each. Again tomorrow I will go into fuel, its advantages and disadvantages and what makes it tick.

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Hi there Max, Your engine is one very impressive piece of machinery and an absolute credit to you...I can't begin to imagine how many thousands of hours you must have spent building and designing it. The finish in red....Is this an anodized coating....? I am interested in what manifold pressure you are running, to obtain that high a HP figure..? Cheers for now, and I'll look forward to your updates to come....Greg.
 

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HI GREG
The red is powder coat, what you are looking at is the results of 20 years of work and 9 streamliners 3 of which never made it to the salt.

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Max

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The pursuit of increased performance of ones motorcycle is a mechanical and chemical one , the latter is usually persuade after the mechanical approach is exhausted. The mechanical is the undertaking of designing the mechanical parts with the goal of achieving the most oxygen delivered to a given displacement. And doing so with the least amount of physical size and weight. If the oxygen is abstracted from the atmosphere only , the engine is referred t as a normal aspirated engine. If the oxygen is increased mechanically , the engine is referred to as turbocharged , supercharged , blown or nitrous oxide assisted. There comes a time when the mechanical avenue to increase the volumetric efficiency has exhausted itself, only very minute gains can be
achieved after a certain point by R and D. The deep pockets of some will always continue to develop even further the thought to be ultimate.

Assuming the venues of a race bike has no restrictions as to the type of fuel and meats scrutiny of the promoters officials, The easiest way to achieve amazing amounts of H. P. is changing the fuel used. The old saying , which we have all heard, (gasoline is for washing parts, alcohol is for drinking
and nitro is for racing) never truer words were ever spoken. Top fuel dragsters are making 8,000 H. P. , for 4 1/2 seconds, so amazing H. P. can be achieved but at a cost, the mechanical parts take a beating and would not continue to remain in one piece for 5 seconds. If the next step is to run fuel , consider how long the race and how munch time and money you want to spend on the type of racing that requires fuel to be competitive.

The most common of the fuels used in the internal combustion engine are , diesel, gas , alcohol , and nitro . Subtract diesel from the fuels to be discussed.
There are additives that are commonly used to enhance the characteristics THE of the afore mentioned fuels. They are benzene ,toluene , propylene oxide and octane boosters. Remember octane is not a chemical, it is a number given to gasoline fuel to give its rate of burn, and the amount of BTU per pound of the particular gas formula, the most common being c8hio.

We know that a BTU (British thermal unit) is the amount of heat needed to raise one pound of water I degree Fahrenheit. The amount of heat an engine can make determines its H.P. reading on the brake. The limiting factor as to how much H.P.a given engine can produce is its mechanical strength and its ability to cool the unwanted excess heat that is absorb into the engine itself, the engine needs some heat(350 to 370 degree) cylinder head temperature to gain a working temperature for complete effective combustion. Access heat can kill a engine quite quickly as well as other things such as detonation . That pinging sound you hear is the fuel being burned exceeds the speed of sound and breaks the sound barrier . A bull whip makes its sound when the end of the whip's speed breaks the sound barrio.
When you light a pool of gasoline on the ground, the woooff you hear is the fuel burn exceeding the speed of sound. At least that is my thoughts and probably subject to debate.

A US gallon of gasoline contains approximately 114,000 BTU ----AIR/FUEL ratio 12.8 air to 1 fuel

A US gallon of alcohol contains approximately 80,000 BTU -----AIR/ FUEL ratio 6.0 air to 1 fuel

A US gallon of nitro contains approximately 53,176 BTU------AIR/FUEL ratio 1.7 air to 1 fuel


Even though the fuels containing a lesser BTU rating per volume , they produce much more power due to the fact that they need a lesser amount of oxygen required to burn efficiently , the volume is about 2 1/2 to 1 for alcohol which gives you about a 20 % H.P. increase when you get it right. You need a minima of 13 to 1 compression ratio for a alcohol engine to come a live, use a mix of 10% race gas ,10% toluene or benzene (which ever is available) 80% alcohol .

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A US gallon of nitro contains approximately 53,000 BTU
 

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Answering Greg's question, what kind of boost do I run? The blower is a roots , running an overdrive of 1.65 to 1. the blower is of a Wiend manufacture
originally made for a 350 Chevy street racer having a displacement of 160 ci of air for each 360 degree of rotation . The engine has a displacement of 3000 cc or a 180 ci . The compression ratio is 6 1/2 to one and at 16 lb boost the effective compression ratio is about 15 to 1. A Vincent twin without to much effort, makes about 1 HP per ci or 60 HP. The liner is 180 ci, assuming it has the same volumetric efficiency as a wormed up Vincent , so 180 HP x 20% hp increase running alcohol is 216 hp, the 16 lb boost more then doubles the HP which accounts for the over 500 HP dyno readings. I hope that helps you Greg to understand some of the nittygrittys of the liner.

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Max

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Thanks Max, I understand supercharging pretty well, and 16 PSI boost is not to be sneezed at. I once put a blower like yours on a 351 Ford v8 in an old F100 Pickup. It put out about 8 to 9 Psi boost, and scared the hell out of the owner. The bloke I work for is into Blown alcohol funny cars, and Runs about 40 odd Psi from a giant PSI blower on a Big block chev. About 2500 to 3000 HP . Gotta love forced induction. Keep the info coming Max.....Cheers.......Greg.
 

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There was a bloke in UK some years ago, Put two Norton Manx engines together, I think it did 180 or 190 mph ish on a flying 1/4 mile, not sure if they were 350 or 500, Cheers Bill.
Coincidentally, I was looking at my Manx Norton chassis yesterday, and thinking how fabulous a V-twin built using two Manx Norton top ends would be!
Max, your streamliner, and the work involved are pure auto motive porn, bravo!
 

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25 or so years ago I saw just that, two double knocker heads on a vin bottom end. Don't know anything more then that, could have been a non running spoof . I saw it at a car show in Miami Florida , anybody know anything more about that engine?
 
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