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Series E

Little Honda

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Does anybody out there know, to which amount series E tests were carried out? Are there still notes, pictures, data being kept somewhere? Would love to hear about. tal
 

Len Matthews

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As is well known, Cope Allman (the successors to Harper Engines) put a questionaire in "Motorcycle Sport" inviting readers to suggest what changes/improvements they would like to see should the Vincent be put back on the market.
There was a rumour that two complete Series D engines were taken to a frame builder named Jim Lee who was commissioned to construct a rolling chassis. The story goes that one complete machine was built and shipped to the US. The existance of the remaining engine became known to local Vincent owners who persuaded Jim Lee to sell bits of it until nothing was left. Fact or fantasy? :confused:
 

Graham Smith

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When you receive MPH709 on Friday, there's an article in there about the Vincent Series 'J'.

Who has ever heard of a Vincent Series 'J' before?!
 
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Flatout

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500cc 'V'Jap engine

Is this the 500cc Jap engine V twin in a tubular frame?

If so I've seen one. This thing does look like a Vincent but it's only when you look twice you notice the differences.


When you receive MPH709 on Friday, there's an article in there about the Vincent Series 'J'.

Who has ever heard of a Vincent Series 'J' before?!
 

Little Honda

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As is well known, Cope Allman (the successors to Harper Engines) put a questionaire in "Motorcycle Sport" inviting readers to suggest what changes/improvements they would like to see should the Vincent be put back on the market.
There was a rumour that two complete Series D engines were taken to a frame builder named Jim Lee who was commissioned to construct a rolling chassis. The story goes that one complete machine was built and shipped to the US. The existance of the remaining engine became known to local Vincent owners who persuaded Jim Lee to sell bits of it until nothing was left. Fact or fantasy? :confused:
Mornin, Len,
what I meant, was the project of PCV´s idea of a rotary piston engine, consisting of sort of double-acting std piston, operating in a reciprocating movement in a rotating cylinder, which turned a crank around its big-end.
I lost the little pencil drawing print, being shown in one of Roy Harper´s books of the seventies, be it the Story or the Autobiography, I don´t remember... What I remember, is, that there must have been an engine been made but not working at all, as it developed no power. On the other hand, it is remembered, that PCV intended to use ceramics inside to overcome lubrication and thermal problems....
Some months ago, I came to the web adress of the company, who carried out the tests, but no reply to my email...
What is known abt it?
rgds to Angie...
Little Honda
 

Hugo Myatt

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Takes you back, eh, Len. Think of all the various attempts and pipe dreams of a Series E. The Tom Somerton Viscount, featherbed framed Vincent. The Harper rebuilds. I met a guy who bought one. He said it didn't handle. I pointed out that they had forgotten to fit a rear damper. Hilgate Motors Phoenix, a Comet engine in conventional cycle parts. Fritz Egli's Egli. Roger Slater's Egli with a proposed 2 litre Vin engine with an explosive cartridge starter a la aircraft practice. That would have been fun. Tony Maughan was going to do one, but didn't. Then today. Francois' beauties. JMR. The Irving Vincent. That nasty American concoction with a Honda engine. Didn't Mr Honda build a prototype based on the Vin engine? Any more anyone remember? Oh yes, the 2007 VOCSC Black Shadow.
 
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Flatout

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The Honda one! That will be the one I saw when I was over there. Looked o.k to me. I'm sure someone told me that Phil Irving's son had something to do with it but that could just be a load of sh*te.


Takes you back, eh, Len. Think of all the various attempts and pipe dreams of a Series E. The Tom Somerton Viscount, featherbed framed Vincent. The Harper rebuilds. I met a guy who bought one. He said it didn't handle. I pointed out that they had forgotten to fit a rear damper. Hilgate Motors Phoenix, a Comet engine in conventional cycle parts. Fritz Egli's Egli. Roger Slater's Egli with a proposed 2 litre Vin engine with an explosive cartridge starter a la aircraft practice. That would have been fun. Tony Maughan was going to do one, but didn't. Then today. Francois' beauties. JMR. The Irving Vincent. That nasty American concoction with a Honda engine. Didn't Mr Honda build a prototype based on the Vin engine? Any more anyone remember? Oh yes, the 2007 VOCSC Black Shadow.
 

BlackLightning998

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The 2007 VOCSC Shadow, now whatever happened to that one then......

Ahh, what happened to it then, did our Canadian member manage to get the necessary funding?

All quiet on the subject.

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Takes you back, eh, Len. Think of all the various attempts and pipe dreams of a Series E. The Tom Somerton Viscount, featherbed framed Vincent. The Harper rebuilds. I met a guy who bought one. He said it didn't handle. I pointed out that they had forgotten to fit a rear damper. Hilgate Motors Phoenix, a Comet engine in conventional cycle parts. Fritz Egli's Egli. Roger Slater's Egli with a proposed 2 litre Vin engine with an explosive cartridge starter a la aircraft practice. That would have been fun. Tony Maughan was going to do one, but didn't. Then today. Francois' beauties. JMR. The Irving Vincent. That nasty American concoction with a Honda engine. Didn't Mr Honda build a prototype based on the Vin engine? Any more anyone remember? Oh yes, the 2007 VOCSC Black Shadow.
 

Peter Holmes

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Confused!

The Honda one! That will be the one I saw when I was over there. Looked o.k to me. I'm sure someone told me that Phil Irving's son had something to do with it but that could just be a load of sh*te.
I think you are referring to the Mugen Vincent engine, this was built by Soichiro Honda's son Hirotoshi Honda, he owns the Mugen company, they manufacture and tune engines for motorsport from F1 down to 10th scale ic engined model cars
 

ET43

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Vincent rotary engines

Following up the enquiries about the rotary engines, there are a number of articles in MPH's nos. 502, 503, and 504, ie, November 1990 through to January 1991.. I have a copy of Some unusual engines and will photococpy the relevant pages if an sae is sent to my address under the Wylye Valley details. Also re: MPH today, it was nice to find out who built the Yamaha engined Vincent replicas. At least they looked better than the rice burner that Mr. Li envisaged.
Cheers,
ET43
 

vapide

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I have a copy of a similar questionnaire From Harper Engineering and Electronics that was circulated in the USA to motorcycle dealers, asking if they would be interested in selling a new Vincent retailing for about $2250 "using the existing engine redesigned to eliminate known weaknesses, mounted in a modern redesigned frame".

If the old engine would be acceptable, it asks, for how many years it would be - with the choices being 1, 2, and 3 years!

As is well known, Cope Allman (the successors to Harper Engines) put a questionaire in "Motorcycle Sport" inviting readers to suggest what changes/improvements they would like to see should the Vincent be put back on the market.
 

Tom Gaynor

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Foresight.....

By now we were all expected to be flying about in personal jetcopters, eating protein pills.
George Hack, the "Phil Irving" of Rudge, was shown a near-original, perfectly restored Rudge TT Replica, long after he'd retired and Rudge had gone out of business. Asked what he thought of it he said "If I'd realised how long they would last, I'd have used even cheaper materials."
 

Little Honda

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So true, Tom,
only yesterday I read PEI´s comment on the subject in 1959: He liked to reduce engine capacity to 750cc to reduce weight, use cast iron liners coz of less distortion and quietness and preferred the Velo rear springing which he had designed instead the triangular Vincent design...
Still my question remains unanswered: where are the remains of this rotary engine or where are written thoughts/plans/diagrams of it? Is there anybody in this club who sits on PCV´s archive, packed in boxes, hidden in the celar?
Has it been sighted, yet? Is there anything in it about PCV´s last vision?
cheers, Little Honda:cool:
 

Robert Watson

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When Editor I was given, and passed on to the Club Archivist, a copy of the patent on the rotary along with a lot of PCV's writings on this subject - and others - which he had sent to a California based motorcycle magazine. I was told at the time that remnants of the rotary had last been seen in a machine shop somewhere in the South of the UK, but it was all very vague, and certainly nothing I could chase from Canada. Probably long scrapped by now.

Robert
 

bmetcalf

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Rotary

I have a vague recollection of MPH correspondence in the 80's, where some member had some involvement with PCV on the motor and was very supportive of the concept. There was something also about that it didn't run long on the test stand. It may have been info that Robin Vincent-Day was sharing on jtan a few years ago. Apologies for the lack of specificity.
 

Little Honda

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When Editor I was given, and passed on to the Club Archivist, a copy of the patent on the rotary along with a lot of PCV's writings on this subject - and others - which he had sent to a California based motorcycle magazine. I was told at the time that remnants of the rotary had last been seen in a machine shop somewhere in the South of the UK, but it was all very vague, and certainly nothing I could chase from Canada. Probably long scrapped by now.

Robert
Thanks, Robert, at last one step forward. I shall ask our archivist again for his knowledge. Hope, he´s answering this time...
cheers, Mike
 

Little Honda

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VOC Member
Series E engine

Following up the enquiries about the rotary engines, there are a number of articles in MPH's nos. 502, 503, and 504, ie, November 1990 through to January 1991.. I have a copy of Some unusual engines and will photococpy the relevant pages if an sae is sent to my address under the Wylye Valley details. Also re: MPH today, it was nice to find out who built the Yamaha engined Vincent replicas. At least they looked better than the rice burner that Mr. Li envisaged.
Cheers,
ET43
HI, ET43, thanks for your offer. If you could send me copies of the mentioned pages, that would be very nice. I do have MPH since the mid-fifties, but just these years around no´s 500 are missing, as I was out of the club for some years. I also contacted Peter Bell, who was sent all the material, PCV sent to an american journal about his rotary project, by Robert Watson. I think, the easiest way would be to scan the documents and send them by email to my adress. Any arising costs being refunded, of course.
cheers, Michael
 

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