I do not expect Graham to involve himself with my computers idiosyncrasies, I am sure he has more than enough to do with his time, but perhaps others might like to throw some light on for me. When browsing using Safari I very often get told that the site I am visiting is not safe, even when it is, one example is The Cornish Tea Company website (I would not drink any other tea BTW, excellent) partly owned Harvey, Marcus Bowden's brother, Safari always tells me this site is unsafe, but I checked it out with Harvey and all the certificates are up to date etc. Now if I browse using Firefox it logs straight on without any questions asked, so why does Safari do this, it is a little unnerving in this age of crooks and scammers to be told 50% of the time when browsing that the site you are visiting is not safe. Just for the record, I do not visit dodgy sites at all, I always preferred my Health and Efficiency magazines from my early teenage years.