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please help,whats it worth

mxschooly

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hi, im new to this forum, can anyone help, ive inherited a vincent hrd black shadow, 1952 (i think) in good condition, rides all ok, etc,

i need to know whats it worth so i can insure it, does anyone have a idea?
 

timetraveller

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I'd insure it for £25k if it is clean and tidy but note that if you had to buy another one to replace it if it was stolen or burnt then you might have to find £30 -35k. The problem is that there is a mystique about the Shadows which after 60 years is often not justified. When new they were special with some engine internals polished and parts specially selected to be a good fit. How many modern Shadows have that attention still being paid to their internals? :)
 

timetraveller

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ERRRR!!!!, yes I know it is a public site but what is private about what I wrote? If I got the figures very wrong then I am sorry but it seems to me that there is nothing very secret about the current asking prices for Vins. Apart from the few well publicised cases it is difficult to find out what people actually get and where I do know the figures they are more in line with the lower values than the higher. Sorry if I am causing conniptions. :)
 

deejay499

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I understand where you are coming from, but to my mind, the less we talk publicly about values, the safer and better.
 

Robert Watson

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Dave, I think you are being a bit paramoid, but maybe it's just living in different parts of the world. Values, particularly auction results are splashed all over the net. Anyone with access and the remotest of effort can find them.

Vegas last weekend
All US$ plus 6% buyers premium

50 Rapide high bid 49K no sale
54 Firefly 7.7K good sale
37 TTR 55K good sale
51 Red Rapide 57K good sale
50 Grey Flash Rep 25K good sale
54 Black Shadow 75K good sale
52 Black Shadow high bid 73K no sale
54 Black Shadow high bid 80K no sale
50 Rapide. No bid No sale

Robert
 

roy the mechanic

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what it's worth

As i have to log-in to get to these messages, i don't see this as a public site. or are you clever enough to dodge the safeguard? The machines values are only as high as the next fool will pay. Roy.
 

deejay499

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Robert. Fair enough, but I still have the public asking what is it worth at times and my usual answer is the amount of time ,effort and money to keep it on the road and the enjoyment I get out of riding it, thus avoiding the actual value.
MX. Hope you enjoy the Vincent and hope to see you on it sometime - why not join the club and come to some of the meets etc, and the local section is always a good place for information and help.
Cheers, DJ
 
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bmetcalf

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As a '50 Rapide owner, should I be paranoid that no one wants 'em anymore? There is a definite pattern there.
 

peterg

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Howdy Bruce,

A bleak thought for those of fragile self esteem...me thinks maybe that's why Somer roped me into buying this 50 Shadow before all was lost. Hrrrmph!
 

peterg

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Howdy Alan,

That brings up a good point for those of us who've generally been late to the dance trendwise and never had the good fortune to "fall" into a good deal. The latter demonstrated most dramatically when the value/purchase price disparities are greatest as only the monetary headroom of marques like Vin's, Indians and Brough's can provide.

In 20 years of Indians and now 12 with Vin's, my only defense against morbid purchaser's remorse is a simpleton's (sometimes grim) determination to "work" this machine backwards into the good deal category by expending hundreds if not thousands of hours in the shop.

My latest purchase here was made on Oct. 4th, when the financial markets had reached full downward terminal velocity over here. Faced with a widow using Barrett Jackson 07 as a reference point and a reluctance to sell in any event, it was either payup or go home. I wrote a huge check and (mostly from exhaustion) have not looked back, as it's been a busy 3 months trying to drive that cost vs value equation wider apart and back fill the void with the relaxed feeling only good deals do bring.

Nonetheless, would be delighted to stumble across any manner of machines for 425 quid...
 

John Appleton

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My old " Vin" is worth 425 quid-'cause that's what I payed for it:eek::eek:

I knew I was in affluent company when I am with you at various gatherings Alan. I skint myself when I paid 60 quid for my Rapide and it seems to have kept me that way ever since.

John
 

Tom Gaynor

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Economics

Paraphrasing, a Vincent will get you through times of no money in better shape than money will through times of no Vincent. Try substituting "food" for "Vincent". Still sounds good...



I knew I was in affluent company when I am with you at various gatherings Alan. I skint myself when I paid 60 quid for my Rapide and it seems to have kept me that way ever since.

John
 

peterg

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Howdy MrTom,

My good man, a DunloPillo, or even a Lucas mag, can only be tastier than this cherished racer's autograph I laboriously tried to lick off the seat ... along with $10 grand in provenance, of Somer's 900SS at the Barber Vintage event in October
 

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Tom Gaynor

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Nutrition

No gain without pain. At least it was low fat. I couldn't quite make out whose autograph that was, though. That would be a lateish 900 ss. I hold the world record for riding one of those up the A90 at 130mph with a leg in plaster. The crouched position proved ideal for using the footchange as a handchange, that leg being the broken one.
And if one can eat Kellogg breakfast cereals (the healthy alternative to poisoning yourself) - and I'm not suggesting you do - then what's to complain about Dunlopillo? It has less sugar, less salt, fewer calories, is low fat, and is probably richer in fibre. It won't do you any good, but it will do a lot less harm, cheaper. A retailer friendly point: it has a long shelf life. And as for a Lucas magneto - have you seen that mineral content? Awesome!

Howdy MrTom,





My good man, a DunloPillo, or even a Lucas mag, can only be tastier than this cherished racer's autograph I laboriously tried to lick off the seat ... along with $10 grand in provenance, of Somer's 900SS at the Barber Vintage event in October
 

peterg

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Howdy MrTom,

That mineral content? One can only begin to speculate, but I'll venture to say it is primarily of the non conductive variety .....I ordered a BT-H from our pleasantish MrMarsh on Monday.

The racey gent in question, a whispy little rascal named Cook Nielson who campaigned a 900SS successfully back in the day. Somer was keen to elevate the provenance of his steed with that signature and I was equally keen to digest it.
 

Alan J

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Vincent "prices:

What a good thread!! chaps- I don't quite follow all of Peter's "Americanisms"-The Atlantic ocean separates us in more ways than one!! I have just spent "loads of money" [on a non motorcycle project as it happens]- as I told them in the "bank"if you are going to "give" me1 per cent interest on my hard earned "dosh" I'm going on a spending spree!! I find the whole business of "how much is it worth?" tasteless, that is why I quoted my 1974 buying price-only to be outdone by Mr. Appleton!! Don't sell it-ride it!!:confused::confused::confused::confused:
 

Bracker1

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The question ,How much is a Vincent worth?, depends on how much someone wants to pay. Present auction results suggest a price,for any twin, over $50,000. The perceived overpricing of vehicles has been a trend for the last 2 decades. It was great when people were able to purchase Vincents at a normal price, but times change. Old racing Ferraris were once worthless, now fetch millions. I don't see any outrage over that price hike. Don't buy a Vincent for an investment, buy it because you like the motorcycle. Ride it, work on it, and enjoy the social benefits of the Club. There are many other ways to waste money that are not near as much fun. The beauty of Vincents are they are great machines to run, will always be worth something, and not to be snobbish, always the best motor vehicles at any venue. Again, best bike ever.
Safe riding, Dan
 

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