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vibrac

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When dealing with an imperial vehicle I would prefer the length of king Henry 1sts arm than the 1790 guess of the distance from the equator to the north pole:D. In the workshop apart from turning (because my bargain Harrison was metric dialed) I only know what a fit with a thous clearence feels like but my digital calculator keeps me sane on BMWs and the like. In distance I can easily read a Km signpost and get miles (divide by 2 take the most significant digit and add it on eg 10km/2=5+1=6 miles) which helps when touring Europe or watching documentaries by Milenials- but I dont watch many of them because they expect their audiences to have the attention span of a fruit fly and repeat everything you have just watched after each commercial break
 

oexing

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"Silver" steel is just a primitive through hardening steel with high carbon like 1.2210 , 115CrV3. Silver because in some countries you get them in close tolerance sizes ground to silver optics so for some uses quite handy. For clutch push rods any steel you can harden with a torch to min. 55 HRC will do.

Vic
 

timetraveller

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Well we all have our own way of converting km to miles or vice versa. I do it by dividing the km by 8 and then multiplying by 5. e.g. 80 km = 50 miles. Keeps my two remaining neurones working on long drives through mainland Europe.:rolleyes:
 

Mike 40M

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What is the European (ISO?) designation for silver steel?
EN 1.2210 in Europe. DIN 115 CRV3,1.2210 in Germany. SS2240 in Sweden. BS4659 BO1 in UK.
Hopefully correct as found on internet.
I buy it as Uddeholm Arne.
In Norton gearboxes standard is 6mm pushrod in 6.35mm (1/4") shaft.
In most boxes I have seen, pushrod in two, seldom three parts, with a 6mm bearing ball or roller between the parts. In my Manx I bought two rods for Jawa iceracing machines, got right length with a ball between.
Saved me the trouble of hardening and temper the ends.
 

Phil Davies

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Starting with first on the right, then bottom to top: 29/19, 24/24. 22/26, 20/28 which means this is a No. 5 box. This would be the usual Grey Flash ratio for the non-KS magnesium box. The aluminum No. 16 box was provided for KS Flashes.
Hello David,
Sorry to contradict you, but, gearboxes with a No5 cluster were not always magnesium gear cased, some were aluminium - I have the remains of (genuine, known history) one here, along with the original No5 cluster that it was built with.
I also have another aluminium gearcase No 5 cluster gearbox here (the stampings on the gearbox are HR5......).
 

davidd

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Phil

I think you have caught me! I do agree. I was under the impression that Vincent ordered mostly the magnesium boxes, but you are right about the aluminum and I know because I have one amongst the extra gearbox parts. Also, I don't think the No. 16 box came in magnesium, but I may be wrong because all those parts can be mixed and matched. I understood that the box with a KS would warrant the aluminum cases.

Thanks,

David
 

vibrac

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Since it looks like I shall have to go inside I will have to see if I can fit a 50,s royal oilfield front cover ( or modify one) to take a kick start I looked at bananamans trials comet box yesterday and that has a kicksatrt on its mag box.
Incidentally if anyone has a photo of the Lawton and Wilson trials Vincent ( the one with the chain drive cam and tubular frame) particularly of the RH side we would love a copy all we have I'd the grainy photo of LH side that was on MPH cover years ago.
It would help bananamans restoration a lot.
 

vibrac

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searching for a photo of the Trials Comet on the web I found a note from timetraveler on this forum from way back about Pat Wilson talking about the trials Comet
NOTE MAG CHAIN IS SMALLER SIZE.
GEAR BOX IS MAGNESIUM BUT INNER COVER WITH KICK START IS ALUMINIUM AS REQUIRED ON A TRIALS MACHINE ! PAT SAID IT SOUNDED LIKE A VELO WITH NO TIMING GEAR CLATTER
 

vibrac

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Well I sorted the clutch push rod some months ago and as I have a hill climb in a week or so, I dragged the Flash out, fitted my billet silencer, bulb horn and numberplate, added some Esso supreem, drained the R from the sump and started her on my rollers, clutch works fine she started easily after almost a year. A qick blat round the local lanes and she is ready to go.
I was on such a roll I dragged the Scott out and after the normal procedures that started as well! jeezz a bit too much good news.....28313
 

Tom Gaynor

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UPDATE
I have stripped the box and on the layshaft starting at the drive end I have 21 24 26 28 which using the table supplied by David gives me a No 3 box
to make it a No 5 box I shall need a 29/19 (some hope!) I note a 'standard box' is 30/18 which if I have got things the right way round is a little lower at 2.78 than the No5 at 2.13*. So now I shall raid my store of Albion boxes and strip one down to see if its any good (I will be getting good at working on these boxes soon...)

* That wont be too bad because of the stupid chicanes they have added to the UK circuits to slow down the super bikes which the ACU in its 'wisdom' force us to keep for reasons unknown to man for Historic racing as well.
The reason for chicanes is to show St John’s Ambulance Brigade where to place their vehicles.
 

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