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Norvincentre

steve cassel

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Can anyone tell me anything about John Wyatt and Geoff Stokes of the Norvincentre? I sent them a lot of money last November, and am still waiting for my parts... Just wondering what experiences people have had with them and what I should expect. Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated, and you can respond by private message if appropriate. Thanks for any input. Steve.
 

Chrish

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VOC Member
Steve,

I ordered and paid for a set of crankcases through them, waited about a year for them to arrive, many phone calls were made, many lies told to me. Geoff Stokes does not answer his mobile phone, they also ignore emails. I can't see how they can stay in business, I would not recommend them. I found the only way to get them to respond was to phone every day until they remitted the goods. I hope you have good luck.

Chris
 

steve cassel

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Crankcases

Chris, Thanks for the response. Do you like the Crankcases? Good Quality? I've ordered a complete motor in parts.

I like John and enjoy talking to him. I'm glad people like John do the things they do and make these old parts available. Still, the delay is unnerving. The original estimate was that I should have my motor by Christmas.

I talked to John this morning and he said he would personally ship my parts today. I would like nothing better than to report back on this forum that all is done, but I have been hearing that my parts are 'ready to ship' for the last two months. I'm hoping this will all be worth the wait???

-------Steve.
 

BlackLightning998

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VOC Member
Help me understand...

Hi Steve,

Help me understand why you chose them, when people like Ian Savage and the VOCSC and Russ Kemp at VinParts could more than likely supply what you were looking for, are reputable, well known and trustworthy individuals and organisations - was it a price driven decision?

I guess if so, then there's always a price to pay - in my business we say "cost, time, quality -choose any two you like" - so I guess if it was a price driven decision then having to wait may well be the downside, that will hopefully mean you still get good quality. I'll have my fingers crossed for you that you do get them in the end and they are what you have been waiting for.

I've never heard anyone deal with them, I've seen them advertise a couple of times though - anyone else got any experience with them?

Regards

Stuart

Chris, Thanks for the response. Do you like the Crankcases? Good Quality? I've ordered a complete motor in parts.

I like John and enjoy talking to him. I'm glad people like John do the things they do and make these old parts available. Still, the delay is unnerving. The original estimate was that I should have my motor by Christmas.

I talked to John this morning and he said he would personally ship my parts today. I would like nothing better than to report back on this forum that all is done, but I have been hearing that my parts are 'ready to ship' for the last two months. I'm hoping this will all be worth the wait???

-------Steve.
 

steve cassel

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Choices

Stuart, Thanks for the response. Unaware of what choices were available to me, I posted my questions HERE on this forum. The suggestions I received included John Mossey Restorations (now Hailwood), and an Australian company that makes race motors. I searched every lead that was suggested, but the only one who said they could supply the motor was John at the Norvincentre. I did receive a response from Mike Perkins at Hailwood several months later saying that he could build my motor, but I had already committed to John at the Norvincentre by then. (I understand Hailwood uses Norvincentre cases and parts for their builds also).

I never new that VinParts or the others you mention could supply the complete motor... At the time, I was acting on the ONLY viable option presented to me. Live and Learn. I'm still hoping for the best. I'll certainly follow up on this topic as it resolves.

I do hope this thread may prove helpful to other people with similar questions. -------Steve.
 

BlackLightning998

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Ahh - I think you wanted a built engine..

Hi Steve,

I'm a bit mixed up as you said that the guy was shipping your parts, but I think from your posting below that you are getting a fuly assembled motor/engine - my mistake.

I think I understand now, you have ordered a fully built engine as oppose to a set of parts to build your own. On that basis, if I understand you right, you can't get that from Russ or Ian. I think Patrick Godet in France might of been able to help you, and there is a chap who did advertise in the back of MPH to build new Shadows who may have been able to assist as well.

Maughans in the UK might have helped too - although they have quite an order book I understand. I've seen some of their restored engines and the owners have almost all had positive things to say.

Colin Jenner at Conways does that sort of thing too I think. I've heard mostly positive things.

Simon Lindford I hear great things of in Scotland - not sure this is his bag, but again he would be worth a try if you ever do another one.

Isn't there someone in the US that could have helped you - I have heard the name Steve Hamel as an engine builder a lot.

On Australia, personally, from detailed, painful and personal experience I can certainly recommend who not to have it done by through bitter, expensive, re-build your engine twice type experience - ouch that was expensive but you don't live that far south so I think it unlikely that you'll get an Antipodean to do it for you wouldn't you, really........

As you say, live and learn, I'll have my fingers firmly crossed for you that you get the built up engine that you've paid for and that it is in good running shape.

Best of luck, they're great fun to ride.

Cheers

Stuart

Stuart, Thanks for the response. Unaware of what choices were available to me, I posted my questions HERE on this forum. The suggestions I received included John Mossey Restorations (now Hailwood), and an Australian company that makes race motors. I searched every lead that was suggested, but the only one who said they could supply the motor was John at the Norvincentre. I did receive a response from Mike Perkins at Hailwood several months later saying that he could build my motor, but I had already committed to John at the Norvincentre by then. (I understand Hailwood uses Norvincentre cases and parts for their builds also).

I never new that VinParts or the others you mention could supply the complete motor... At the time, I was acting on the ONLY viable option presented to me. Live and Learn. I'm still hoping for the best. I'll certainly follow up on this topic as it resolves.

I do hope this thread may prove helpful to other people with similar questions. -------Steve.
 

MartinRestorer

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VOC Member
norvincenter

O dear Steve this may have been a big mistake.
To have payed in advance to John as he seems to have intentions above his abilities to actually supply. I bought cases and parts of John to build a
twin engine in 2004 after many months of promises he had my cases for collection. They were returned to John with parts I had sourced myself to be completed by his friend and vincent engineer. One year later I cannot get my parts or engine back as they are now in the hands of Colin Taylor
and have traveled to Italy. After much negociation and expence I had them brought back to me in UK with less parts that I had left with John.
Since then I have had most bearings changed with new engineering on most interferance fits and am still doing battle with his cases now. I will win, but its not the easy option.
Very good luck you will need it. PM for more information
 

steve cassel

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Motor in Parts

Stuart, Again... Thanks for the input.

Sorry for the confusion. I am buying a complete motor... but in parts. Not built. After forty years of building and restoring old bikes, I found the option of buying the motor in parts and building it myself an attractive alternative in terms of both cost and satisfaction.

I have talked to Steve Hamel here in the States. My conversations with him left me comfortable with the decision to build the motor myself. He's a great person to talk with, and encouraged me no small amount. It's great to meet enthusiasts who will take time out of their schedules to answer newby questions.

I expect that John and Geoff at the Norvincentre are enthusiasts too... Though I seem to be getting quite a mixed bag of opinions. Please do keep your fingers crossed for me. ------------Steve.
 

manxnortonman

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Norvin Centre

I ordered a complete twin engine from John for my Norvin which was delivered on budget if a little late. I am more than pleased with the results as can be seen in Spirit of the sixties 3. The engine is very responsive starts and runs sweet as a nut as well as being very quick. John supplies engine cases,heads and covers to the trade world wide at a very reasonable prices but demand often outstrips supply. I know John gets very frustrated with the foundries and machine shops that fail to deliver on time and hence the delay in fulfilling orders.

Garry Laurence, a satisfied customer
 

steve cassel

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Satisfied Customer

Garry, Thanks for the input.

I just heard from Geoff that a group of my parts has already been shipped... I should have them in a few days. I may be joining the ranks of 'satisfied customer' soon myself.

I've heard that Vincent customers here in the U.S. back in the 'fifties frequently had to wait a year or more for a new bike... I quess a few delays still can't dull the shine of something truly worth the wait. -------Steve.
 

Prosper Keating

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Non-VOC Member
As long as one doesn't die of old age whilst waiting. I know people who have been 'waiting' for this fellow to ship or, in some cases, return their parts for years now. I am sure they will be thrilled to hear that you are getting some parts, for which they may have paid.

Still, I salute your indomitable optimism and your philosophical attitude. Waiting a year for a complete Vincent-HRD during the Korean War was a common enough experience for foreign customers but most people start getting a little antsy these days if weeks turn to months and then to years.

I hope it works out for you.

PK
 

steve cassel

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Non-VOC Member
Phone Calls

To anyone 'Unable' to reach John or Geoff...

I've been mostly successful (better than 50% of the tries) with calling John in the mornings.

Contacting Geoff at his shop can be a bit tricky, but if you ask the person answering the phone what time you should call back to catch him, your chances are greatly improved.

My impression is not that they are avoiding calls, but that they are busy with other things and not sitting by the phone all day. I appreciate the frustration factor ( especially since my time zone is -6 GMT), but my experience is that you CAN reach them by phone if you TRY hard enough.

Hope this is helpful to someone. --------Steve.
 

steve cassel

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Getting There...

Here's an update:
I just received a batch of parts from John and Geoff. I now have the cases, covers, gearset, and crank assembly happily occupying a prominent spot on my old workbench. I'm still waiting for all the right-side components, all the left side components, the complete top end and valve train, and a myriad of little parts; But I am encouraged... It seems, at least, that I'm almost Half Way there.

Opening the boxes and laying the stuff out was like a Christmas Morning (albeit a few months late). These parts are surely the stuff Dreams are made of. I spent a whole morning sorting out the case studs and spindles and trial-fitting the cases and covers. It's true I am still a long way from having a complete motor, but John and Geoff tell me the rest of my order should be ready to ship in 'a couple of weeks'. (You can still keep your fingers crossed for me, Stuart. Thanks).

At Any Rate, I hope this will be encouragement for anyone still waiting. All the best. -------Steve.
 

MartinRestorer

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Here's an update:
I just received a batch of parts from John and Geoff. I now have the cases, covers, gearset, and crank assembly happily occupying a prominent spot on my old workbench. I'm still waiting for all the right-side components, all the left side components, the complete top end and valve train, and a myriad of little parts; But I am encouraged... It seems, at least, that I'm almost Half Way there.

Opening the boxes and laying the stuff out was like a Christmas Morning (albeit a few months late). These parts are surely the stuff Dreams are made of. I spent a whole morning sorting out the case studs and spindles and trial-fitting the cases and covers. It's true I am still a long way from having a complete motor, but John and Geoff tell me the rest of my order should be ready to ship in 'a couple of weeks'. (You can still keep your fingers crossed for me, Stuart. Thanks).

At Any Rate, I hope this will be encouragement for anyone still waiting. All the best. -------Steve.
Well done! enjoy, I remember the feeling well. But half way?
I would start sourceing internal parts Vinparts ,VOCS.. Keep posting for the long haul.
 

Chrish

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VOC Member
Steve,

Well done! I suggest you get a copy of MPH 666 therein a letter/article from Phil Pilgrim with regards to what you should inspect on the cases prior to assembly, some things are critical. We, in Australia, have received our cases, still awaiting the covers, and some damage is evident, awaiting an email reply from Geoff Stokes as to a resolution.

Chris
 

steve cassel

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MPH Magazine

Chris, Thanks for the suggestion... To anybody who has MPH#666 to sell (Or any other MPH issues you can part with) Please contact me by PM. Thanks.

To Martin and others making the suggestion that I source the remainder of my parts through other vendors: I appreciate the encouragement; but as I said, I have committed to John and Geoff. I have to act in the good faith that they will perform what they said. It is nice to know, though, that other options are available if for some reason they are unable to fill my order. Still keeping those fingers crossed... -------Steve.
 

Chrish

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VOC Member
Steve,
Keep the faith, as alluded to, we have had some damage to the cases and are still awaiting the covers,BUT, John/Geoff are in the process of sorting through this, he emailed today, which is progress.

Chris
 

Prosper Keating

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I think you should get a good discount for this great PR job of yours. Hope they'll sort you out. Any chance of posting a photo or two of the parts you've received?

Cheers,

PK
 

steve cassel

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Non-VOC Member
Attitude

Golly, Prosper, it sounds like you are mad at ME now... Did I forget to say thanks for the PM you sent? I really do appreciate your time and effort, and I did follow up on the information you gave me. Thanks.

Just for the record:
1). I am not on their payroll.
2). I would love a discount, but am not expecting one.
3). I really did receive a batch of parts (no photos for you at this time... you'll just have to take my word for it).
And 4). I really am happy to have received the aforementioned parts.

Sorry if all that rubs you the wrong way... I'm just trying my best to bear through the frustration while remaining as constructive as I can. If it's any consolation to you, I'm still waiting for the large majority of my order and have not been able to get a response from John or Geoff for over a week now. I could go histrionic, or I can keep calling until they manage to get their ducks in a row. My choice. ------------Steve.
 

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