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NewVincent concept !!!

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Gor Blimey

In all my 67 years I have never seen a motorcycle with pushrod tubes on the left hand side of the engine, let alone having the primary drive in the way. I'd rather buy one of the new Carberry Enfield vee twins than ride something as grotesque as that.
Grumpy Old Git.
 

roy the mechanic

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new concept

Least said, soonest mended! That's what my old mate used to say! I'm sure , like all the other pretenders , this too will pass. Roy.
 

carlm

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In all my 63 years it hasn't made one whit of difference to me what side my pushrod tubes are on. I'm just saying that it looks like more original thought went into it than Bernard Li's assemblage of bought in parts. And I agree with Roy. Another fart in a windstorm.
Carl
 

Comet Rider

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calm down

If you go back through old posts in the forum, you can see that this concept derives from work done by some technology students, so please lighten up, as they did ask our advice....

Neil
 

vin998

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In all my 67 years I have never seen a motorcycle with pushrod tubes on the left hand side of the engine, let alone having the primary drive in the way. I'd rather buy one of the new Carberry Enfield vee twins than ride something as grotesque as that.
Grumpy Old Git.


The 250cc Royal Enfield Continental, GT and Crusader engines had the pushrods on the left side. The pushrod tunnel is cast into the barrel, but its location can still be seen bulging out from the cylinder. I believe though, that the primary drive was on the right side of the engine.

Cheers,
Simon.
 

Tnecniv Edipar

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Generally , the purpose of a concept is to showcase idea's and determine reaction , not to present as a production idea. Otherwise things never move on. What I like about this is it's boldness even if it doesn't exactly break any particular new ground , it has the spirit of PCV about it !!

Pushrod or timing location is never going to be on the same side as primary drive , I think we just have to accept this as artsist licence !!
 

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Comparisons

Whilst I was not aware of the Enfield pushrod situation, Simon did grasp the fact that primary drive and pushrods cannot be on the same side of the engine so the artist should have put a little more thought into his concept. However, I thought that " concept " vehicles were supposed to represent what was likely to become a production vehicle, yet here we see a contraption with no mudguards, no dual seat, and possibly no rear lights. The only thing it follows is the current flavour of a**e up and head down riding position. At least Bernard Li's machine which was never a Vincent replacement contender had a proven engine and all the accoutriments that one finds on a decent touring machine which is what I believe that PCV envisaged his machine to be, and anyway, even I would not be able to put a sidecar on that point and squirt thing. Spirit of Vincent, Nah! Sorry.
At least it will only be a concept and it will never come close to the machines that we ride. Even Lord Hesketh failed to emulate the beasts, but finaly I wouldn't say no to a Britten which thinking about it is not too much different from the concept shown, but it did reach limited production and whacked another vee twin in the process. Funny old world ain't it.
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Tnecniv Edipar

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Concept vehicles rarely reach production in anything close to the form presented as a concept. As I said before , they are a showcase for idea's & err , concepts !!
Strange you should mention the Britten , that is my all time favourite "modern" motorcycle and was well ahead of it's time. Why no one took that up seriously when the man himself tragically died very prematurely , I'll never know.
 

Tom Gaynor

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Britten

I saw one in Milano at Giovanni Cabassi's MAD (Moto[rcycle], Arte, Design) exhibition. It had forks very similiar to Girdraulics, but in hollow carbon fibre. This was almost the least of its marvels. It was stunning. But, apart from Casey Stoner and Valentino Rossi (and in our dreams, all of us), who could exploit its capabilities? And who could afford to buy one?
The exhibition was full of wonderful design concepts made into real, live, running motorcycles (mainly, but not exclusively, Italian), but as you suggest, few that actually made it into successful mass production. Anyone fancy a fully enclosed Eric Buell Harley? With the same visual impact as a Knight or a Prince? And as attractive to the general biker population? You know the rest...

Concept vehicles rarely reach production in anything close to the form presented as a concept. As I said before , they are a showcase for idea's & err , concepts !!
Strange you should mention the Britten , that is my all time favourite "modern" motorcycle and was well ahead of it's time. Why no one took that up seriously when the man himself tragically died very prematurely , I'll never know.
 

Tom Gaynor

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Britten

I saw one in Milano at Giovanni Cabassi's MAD (Moto[rcycle], Arte, Design) exhibition. It had forks very similiar to Girdraulics, but in hollow carbon fibre. This was almost the least of its marvels. It was stunning. But, apart from Casey Stoner and Valentino Rossi (and in our dreams, all of us), who could exploit its capabilities? And who could afford to buy one?
The exhibition was full of wonderful design concepts made into real, live, running motorcycles (mainly, but not exclusively, Italian), but as you suggest, few that actually made it into successful mass production. Anyone fancy a fully enclosed Eric Buell Harley? With the same visual impact as a Knight or a Prince? And as attractive to the general biker population? You know the rest...

Concept vehicles rarely reach production in anything close to the form presented as a concept. As I said before , they are a showcase for idea's & err , concepts !!
Strange you should mention the Britten , that is my all time favourite "modern" motorcycle and was well ahead of it's time. Why no one took that up seriously when the man himself tragically died very prematurely , I'll never know.
 

Tom Gaynor

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Sorry, tremor in the fingers.....

So you got the same message twice.

I saw one in Milano at Giovanni Cabassi's MAD (Moto[rcycle], Arte, Design) exhibition. It had forks very similiar to Girdraulics, but in hollow carbon fibre. This was almost the least of its marvels. It was stunning. But, apart from Casey Stoner and Valentino Rossi (and in our dreams, all of us), who could exploit its capabilities? And who could afford to buy one?
The exhibition was full of wonderful design concepts made into real, live, running motorcycles (mainly, but not exclusively, Italian), but as you suggest, few that actually made it into successful mass production. Anyone fancy a fully enclosed Eric Buell Harley? With the same visual impact as a Knight or a Prince? And as attractive to the general biker population? You know the rest...
 

Tnecniv Edipar

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Were you aware the 1st Buell WAS fully enclosed ? And I mean , FULLY , enclosed ! Was called the RR1200 Battle Twin , phenomenal looking machine , I almost bought one !! The Britten though , that was an incredible device. When I first saw it my immediate thought was , thats how the Vincent could have evolved ! Examine all the principle elements and it just shouts Vincent. Stressed V Twin , the front suspension , novel rear suspension. Brilliant machine from a brilliant man. I would recommend the DVD , "One Mans Dream , The Britten Bike Story".
 

Tom Gaynor

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Buell

That's what I saw in Milano. It brought on an all but uncontrollable attack of the "must have its".
Were you aware the 1st Buell WAS fully enclosed ? And I mean , FULLY , enclosed ! Was called the RR1200 Battle Twin , phenomenal looking machine , I almost bought one !! The Britten though , that was an incredible device. When I first saw it my immediate thought was , thats how the Vincent could have evolved ! Examine all the principle elements and it just shouts Vincent. Stressed V Twin , the front suspension , novel rear suspension. Brilliant machine from a brilliant man. I would recommend the DVD , "One Mans Dream , The Britten Bike Story".
 

carlm

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Hmm. I once rode an arse up head down machine to Vincents and Vines in California and back. Transferred all my lower back pain to my wrists. And I sat on the Britten at the New Zealand International. Got a picture too. Don't see any dual seat or lights. Were the Black Lightening and Grey Flash really touring machines? Admittedly they'd accommodate a sidecar...
Carl
 

Tom Gaynor

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Britten

The Britten is a pure racing machine, and probably makes your crotch-rocket feel like a moped. The owner (more accustomed to Vincents) told me he'd started it, but found it difficult to get it rolling without having it wheelie itself upside down. A zillion horsepower at the flick of a dual-purpose switch, i.e. the clutch and throttle operated together. If it had a speedo it would be evenly marked 0, 80, 100,120....

Hmm. I once rode an arse up head down machine to Vincents and Vines in California and back. Transferred all my lower back pain to my wrists. And I sat on the Britten at the New Zealand International. Got a picture too. Don't see any dual seat or lights. Were the Black Lightening and Grey Flash really touring machines? Admittedly they'd accommodate a sidecar...
Carl
 

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Concept machine.

What I was trying to get across was the fact that the drawing was incomplete in my mind and would in no way be a Vincent. Old Man Vincent might have produced something like a Pan European if he were still around. Of course the Lightnings and Flashes were the exception to the rule, isn't there any lee way here? And, yes I do have an a**e up head down machine which has been known to leave a Comet standing, but is is only 50cc, ask B'knighted, so I am not against them. Before the Britten came along the Vee Eight 'Guzzi did it for me, so let's leave it at that until I find something else to moan about, something I'm good at.
TaTa for now,
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