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H: Hubs, Wheels and Tyres Neal Videan New Stronger Brake Shoes 2019


davidd

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I have spent a lot of time this past year making very strong brake shoes for the racers. David Tompkins is very happy with the results on his racer. Recently a new alternative surfaced from Neal Videan who is selling a new stock shaped brake shoe that is about double the dimensions of the stock shoe. I received the shoes today and although I have not installed a set they appear to deliver the goods.
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If it is not already obvious, the top shoe is the Videan shoe and the bottom shoe is the stock shoe. I should mention that the thickness of the web is doubled also.

The price of a pair of shoes with the H48 plates and H31/1 spring with the shoe unlined is $250 Australian (circa 140 Pounds Sterling today).

The price of a pair of shoes with the H48s and H31/1 that are lined with VB3000 lining from Vintage Brake in the US is $350 Australian (circa 196 Pounds).

Additionally, the design of the brake spring mounts have been strengthened.

David
 

Black Flash

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Seems to be a very good move to me. When I showed an original brake shoe to the foreman of my foundry [a 20 stone type of guy] he twisted it in his hands, put it back on the table and said he would never want to ride a bike with this sort of brake.
Maybe good for a moped [25 mph small motorcycle] but not for something capable of 70+mph.
He is a very enthusiastic classic biker by the way, mainly guzzis and ducatis.
 

A_HRD

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The same (H8-2AS-Set) from the VOCSC is £302-40 with member discount, postage and VAT.
Peter B
 

peter holmes

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so thats almost DOUBLE the VOC price. Time to review suppliers?????????? Just wondering
I am really struggling with the maths here, a new pair of shoes lined and ready to go from Neal Videan is £196.00, from the VOC Spares Company lined and ready to go are £302.20, so what is nearly double what, clearly double Neal Videan's price is £392.00, or is it the phraseology that I am not understanding?
 

davidd

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Peter,

The Videan shoes, like all of the Videan items are not sold by the Voc Spares. The Godet style shoes are sold by the Voc Spares and they are and have been quite expensive. I think they are a fine shoe, but at the time I think Patrick was using a supplier to do small batches of magnesium racing shoes and that may have had an impact on the price of his aluminum shoes. In turn, may have been that Patrick was the supplier to the Voc Spares.

Both Voc Spares and Videan sell the shoes as pairs. I do not know if the Voc Spares sell the shoes with linings as I did not see the listing. My memory was that the Voc Spares sold the bare shoes for about 300 Pounds per pair. The Videan unlined shoes sell for 140 Pounds a pair. With linings, the Videan shoes sell for 196 Pounds per pair (using today's exchange rate.)

You will need two pair of shoes to do a front wheel.

The Videan shoes are quite inexpensive in my opinion. The shoes I make myself cost a bit more than the Videan shoes if I factor in my costs of machining and lining the shoes.

David
 

peter holmes

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so thats almost DOUBLE the VOC price. Time to review suppliers?????????? Just wondering
David, Thanks for explanation, but I am still struggling, I never was very academic at school, or since for that matter, Neal Videan is selling 1 x Pair of beefed up new brake shoes that are already lined for £196.00
The VOC Spares Company seem to be selling two different types of beefed up brake shoes, one type beefed up in much the same way as Neal has done, and the another type are beefed up in a similar fashion to the shoes that Patrick made, but in both cases they list them as sold as a pair, lined and selling for £302.40, so what here is twice the price of what, I hope I am not being seen as particularly pedantic, but I simply cannot work it out.
 
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The VOC Spares Company Limited

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The H8-2AS brake shoes we sell are from Neil Videan. They are lined and include spring and Face plates. We do sell several of his parts, and are looking to stock more of them.
You need to do your homework when comparing prices, ours include delivery and Taxes.
We have had customers complain about our prices of imported goods only to find when they have ordered direct, after paying freight and taxes we were indeed cheaper and less hassle.
The more you support YOUR Spares Company the cheaper we can supply. All our profits go towards stocking more products and reducing prices.

Rant over

Cheers
Bob
 

Albervin

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I think this comes down to giving a bit of thought to what you are buying. In Australia the cheapest option is to buy some of Neals's shoes (NOTE spelling Bob) then have them lined with whatever your choice of material by ABC (Australian Brake and Clutch). I think Martyn was a bit over eager with his maths but even so; these are a light weight so freight is not massive. ABC charge $50 to bond a pair of m/cycle brake shoes but you do need to specify the material. I do not know what VB3000 linings are but I assume Neal and his team have done their homework and they are suitable for our steeds.
I had a long conversation with Ian Savage about the VOCS selling items made outside of the EU and I now understand how complex that is. If the VOCS bought an item from (say) Australia, they would have to pay VAT on import. If they sold that item within the EU then the VAT is paid on the sale price. If it is sold to the USA or Scandinavia the VAT is removed and a credit is claimed from HMRC. That is a lot of paperwork.
Bottom line is we are very fortunate here in Australia to have an enthusiast like Neal.
 

davidd

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The H8-2AS brake shoes we sell are from Neil Videan. They are lined and include spring and Face plates. We do sell several of his parts, and are looking to stock more of them.
You need to do your homework when comparing prices, ours include delivery and Taxes.
We have had customers complain about our prices of imported goods only to find when they have ordered direct, after paying freight and taxes we were indeed cheaper and less hassle.
The more you support YOUR Spares Company the cheaper we can supply. All our profits go towards stocking more products and reducing prices.

Rant over
I did not see your comment as a rant and I can see that your feelings may be perfectly appropriate, but you are leaving information out and providing very little information on the Club's products. Just post a photo of the Neal Videan shoes that the Club carries and describe the the product and price. I know that this may not be anyone's specific job, so this is not a complaint, it is just a response to the post.

I had approached Neal over a year ago about these brake shoes and followed up at every opportunity. I reported all the information I was made aware of in the first post when I received the brake shoes. It was Tim who mentioned the relative price and implied the cost of the shoes was high.

I hope that no one is confused or upset by the original post, but if all the subsequent posts disappeared (including this one) the information would be accurate. My interest is only building better brakes.

David
 

Dinny

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Neal has been working on these new shoes for a while and I would have bought shoes from him if I had not found originals. The quality of his products is superb and I have bought many series A parts from him as they are not available via the club. His service is excellent and he is a genuine good guy. I however would say the pictures on the VOC website do not look like his shoes and they have only been available as of very recently.

Mark
 

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