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Mudguards

Blue-Vinny

Website User
Non-VOC Member
Hi all,

I am a new member and am missing both of the mudguards for a 47 Rapide.

What is the usual solution ?
What does the VOC spares scheme sell ?

I am offered a period pattern part front guard, believed to be from MCA ?
Here's hoping the photo comes out via this link :

http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=motos026ex7.jpg

Does this one look right ?
What length should it be ? (I believe this one is 100 cm, so say 40".)
"Original Vincent" tells me they should all be 5" at the front. How is this measured ? This one is 12cm "developed", which I am told means measured around the outside of the curve, so it sounds about right.

Pardon my ignorance and thanks in advance.
 

Ken Tidswell

Well Known and Active Website User
VOC Member
Mud guards

The Spares Co is supposed to be having made proper Birmabrite guards made, they will be of the correct radius and section. Up Till now there were all sourced from a monopolistic supplier.And are very poor, soft , and inaccurately made. But the VOCSC has found another source of supply. The best ones were stainless made over 30 yrs ago. If the VOCSC were to make some is S/S , it has been estimated that 200 pairs could be sold. This information comes from a man who used to do fibreglass replicas of touring guards, which look very nice in metallic grey paint.
the guard in the picture is the wrong section ,give it to a Huptimuert owner.
 
Guards

I think Phill might be wrong. 200 pairs??
Ali guards are still made and I will have a batch of new stock in a month or two but the last lot of SS one's were **** as the rollers are shot. Cost to put right would put a pair of guards at £250.
If 200 people ring me next month ordering SS guards then I might look at getting some made.
 

Blue-Vinny

Website User
Non-VOC Member
I have no idea what a "Huptimuert" is either and, as I wish to stay off the sex offenders register and off the CIA's terrorist list, I have no desire to find out !!!

Thanks for the news from Vinparts.
In that case, it's sorted and I'll get back to you in a couple of months.
If reservation is possible in advance, please put me down for a pair and let me know when they arrive. :)
 
R

Rap998

Guest
Autocycle Engineering.

I bought a full set from a guy called Chris Williams? (Autocycle Engineering) last year. He said he used to do S/S ones but the tooling had seen better days. I bought a set of alloy ones and they cost £85. They are not the best fit for sure but after some considerable time I've fitted them and they look o.k.
At £85 I couldn't complain but I'll be having a set from the VOCSC when they get them in.



Hi all,

I am a new member and am missing both of the mudguards for a 47 Rapide.

What is the usual solution ?
What does the VOC spares scheme sell ?

I am offered a period pattern part front guard, believed to be from MCA ?
Here's hoping the photo comes out via this link :

http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=motos026ex7.jpg

Does this one look right ?
What length should it be ? (I believe this one is 100 cm, so say 40".)
"Original Vincent" tells me they should all be 5" at the front. How is this measured ? This one is 12cm "developed", which I am told means measured around the outside of the curve, so it sounds about right.

Pardon my ignorance and thanks in advance.
 

Pete Appleton

VOC Hon. Social Secretary
VOC Member
VOC Forum Administrator
Come on Russ, Get some ordered

Cost to put right would put a pair of guards at £250.

Is £250 for a pair of really well made stainless guards really too much money? They will last you a life time and if you take into account the time that you spend polishing the alloy ones ( or in my case getting someone else to polish them) then I think that it is a bargain. I don't know how much a set of the alloy ones will cost but spending £150 or so on second best really does seem like a bad deal.


Pete
 

Blue-Vinny

Website User
Non-VOC Member
Is £250 for a pair of really well made stainless guards really too much money? They will last you a life time and if you take into account the time that you spend polishing the alloy ones ( or in my case getting someone else to polish them) then I think that it is a bargain. I don't know how much a set of the alloy ones will cost but spending £150 or so on second best really does seem like a bad deal.


Pete

Isn't alloy the original spec :confused:

Why polish off the useful layer of protective oxide ? ;)
I did too much polishing in the RN to bother with all that. :mad:
Sadly a muppet polished un-natural parts on one of my Triumphs and I had to get them blasted to try and regain the ex-works look :rolleyes:
 

Pete Appleton

VOC Hon. Social Secretary
VOC Member
VOC Forum Administrator
Protective oxide my ar**

Isn't alloy the original spec :confused:

You're right alloy is the original spec and it even looks better than stainless, on other peoples bikes. Unfortunately I have an aversion to 'rubbing' motorcycles. Do the winter pennine and the winter welsh then talk to me about 'protective oxidisation' :p

Pete
 
R

Rap998

Guest
S/S Mudguards.

Russ,
I think you should go ahead and try and put S/S Mudguards on the shelf. I couldn't give a 'hoot' if alloy are the original. At £250 it sounds good to me.
Look at the other options at the moment. Very little and you may get them on the shelf before the Birmabright reps!



Isn't alloy the original spec :confused:

Why polish off the useful layer of protective oxide ? ;)
I did too much polishing in the RN to bother with all that. :mad:
Sadly a muppet polished un-natural parts on one of my Triumphs and I had to get them blasted to try and regain the ex-works look :rolleyes:
 

Blue-Vinny

Website User
Non-VOC Member
Having spent navy sea time "up North" (-40°C and below and all that), combined with many years without a car or heated grips or any such rubbish, I have permanently damaged the nerve ends in my fingers and these days I lose all feeling at anything below +5°C or so. That makes it too dangerous to ride unprotected in winter - in fact I understand it is more dangerous to ride like that than after 4 pints of beer (howsoever politically incorrect that might be !)
So nowadays I use something more modern with heated grips and h/bar muffs in winter and leave the rest to the proper hard men (yes I know I could put them on an old bike, but I have 17 bikes, so why bother ?)
I have currently got three Landrovers and have had well over a dozen before these. I know all about Birmabrite, as that is what the body work is made of (the inner wings and underbody are un-painted and they are used all year round.)
I always found that covering bike wheel rims (chrome or aluminium) in grease or wax during winter worked quite well. They do get mega-dirty - adding to the hard man image, but clean up OK in Spring. The same trick would presumably apply to alloy mudguards. My aircraft contacts give me some wonder spray, which is excellent where alloy meets steel. It would probably as a protective coat too.
One useful trick in winter is to buy a nice new pump-up garden sprayer and keep it filled with a gallon of fresh water. As soon as you get in, wash down the bike with a spray of fresh water. Plus the little nozzle gets into all of the hard places.
Besides, winter in Paris is milder than the North of England and even better that that if we head South, so inox is un-necessary. As a Southern Jessie anyway, why would I ride to the Pennines in winter when Lyon and even M****illes are closer?
I have a particular aversion to inox fixings, whose liberal use where not originally specified has trashed the originality of too many bikes just to make them shiny and to make the parts sellers rich. The rubbish I have taken off one of my beezers beggars belief. Made out of metric hex-bar and sold by a most reputable supplier. Not to mention the plethora of inox specifications, meaning many of the fixings actually grip worse in cast alloy than cadmium, zinc or chromed fixings and then they strip threads when you take them out.
Nope, alloy it will be.
 
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