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F10AB/1A70 Surtees/Amat machine


Whiteshadow15

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Some of you already know, and more have guessed, but I wanted to share with everyone.

Within our Vincent find was a very special group of parts. The crankcases have been confirmed by Simon and we are fairly certain the Frame is the correct one but due to chrome plating not all of the numbers are visible.

This is the first post-war factory tuned engine and sister to the Gunga din, Originally ordered by Jack Surtees for sidecar racing with his son,IMG_3456.PNGIMG_3543.JPG John. The Surtees eventually sent the engine back to the factory where it was rebuilt and sold to Jose Amat of Cuba. Story has it that the Amat family fled Cuba and ended up bringing the bike with him where it ended up at a shop in Chicago where it traded hands back in the 70's.

We are still looking though and making sure we can match up all the parts we believe to be part of this machine, but unfortunately the chrome petrol tank was not with the collection.

If any of you have any facts or stories of the bike I would love to hear it, any believed pictures would also be of tremendous value.
 

genedn

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Some of you already know, and more have guessed, but I wanted to share with everyone.

Within our Vincent find was a very special group of parts. The crankcases have been confirmed by Simon and we are fairly certain the Frame is the correct one but due to chrome plating not all of the numbers are visible.

This is the first post-war factory tuned engine and sister to the Gunga din, Originally ordered by Jack Surtees for sidecar racing with his son,View attachment 29305View attachment 29306 John. The Surtees eventually sent the engine back to the factory where it was rebuilt and sold to Jose Amat of Cuba. Story has it that the Amat family fled Cuba and ended up bringing the bike with him where it ended up at a shop in Chicago where it traded hands back in the 70's.

We are still looking though and making sure we can match up all the parts we believe to be part of this machine, but unfortunately the chrome petrol tank was not with the collection.

If any of you have any facts or stories of the bike I would love to hear it, any believed pictures would also be of tremendous value.
The head stock on my bike is a B rapide that was dispatched to Amat on Cuba with a chrome tank.
 

roy the mechanic

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There is a photo in 50 years of the marque (by P C V), the caption - a rapide with special chrome tank supplied to Armat's specification and to no other agent in the world. It looks like a black bike with only a chrome tank.
 

Whiteshadow15

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There is a photo in 50 years of the marque (by P C V), the caption - a rapide with special chrome tank supplied to Armat's specification and to no other agent in the world. It looks like a black bike with only a chrome tank.
I have seen that, but as far as I know there aren't any confirmed pictures of this particular machine that have surfaced. It is also not unreasonable to think he added the chrome plating to the rest of the bike years later.
 

vin998

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How many went to Amat in chrome?
At least five bikes went to Amat with chrome tanks that I can find in the factory records and 1A/70 wasn't one of those. Factory records say 1A/70 had black & gold tank.
 

Whiteshadow15

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It is interesting to hear, I've had several that have mentioned seeing the bike in Chicago with a Chrome tank, The argument becomes if it were chromed later or simply a case of mistaken memories. It is good to know it was certainly not chrome from the factory.
 

Bill Thomas

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It's always been the way, If you have more than one Vincent, To mix spares up, I have been more guilty than most ?, It has took me years to sort things out, For anyone after I have gone to the Race Track in the Sky.
Cheers Bill.
 

bmetcalf

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When I saw it at George's in 1981 or so, the bike was completely disassembled and he had many doubtful stories, so with that being ~30 years after it went to Cuba, who knows? Amat could have swapped tanks, too.
 

Whiteshadow15

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It certainly does not help that George was a story-teller. There was not a chrome tank within our parts, the tanks we did have he had poorly re-sprayed at some point in time. Another grouping of parts was sold off many years ago so there is no telling what went with that sale.
 

genedn

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That could be the bike. It could be another bike. It could be the bike with different parts attached. Race machines were tossed around beat up, parts changed etc. Its all speculation, best to track down one of the Amat's and ask them questions
 

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