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<blockquote data-quote="Marcus Bowden" data-source="post: 47533" data-attributes="member: 3287"><p>The one Creamer "BS" that Hugo mentions and the first owner John Vane is local in the Plympton area and lived across the valley to Pat Wilson, Wilson of the Lawton & Wilson (Southampton). John worked for Pat on more than one occasion as he had M/C shop stocking all-sorts, then had an agency for Bonds & Relient's I think then moved to Roots group cars and use to have my Rap in his air conditioned show rooms as I use to be away 4 to 10 months at a time, John recalls Pat giving instruction for my bike to be taken for a run and this got John wanting a Vincent again, another BS local but passed on a few years later.It was through Pat when invited to the 21st Annual Dinner along with PCV & HRD also other dealers ? that on the Sunday morning breakfast Pat invited PCV over to have breakfast with him which he did enquiring how he was returning home, he said "by train" Pat took him home after treating both of us to lunch at Ketteners ( nice restaurant in London), their discussion over the pros & cons of gear or chain drive I recall as Pat had already told me of his TRIALS Flash as it had been stolen from his Emerdon Mine lock up warehouse, few years later police recovered it and he gave it to me along another early twin motor, chain driven timing side 500, half time pinion was made with a double sprocket and cam and mag had double sized matching sprockets, wish I new how to put a picture on here. that was 1969 and my visits to No 7 apartment started and PCV was always so enthusiastic to tell me the latest development on his rotary engine, my visits stopped in 1972 after his first stroke as Elfreda was I think a little embarrassed with PCV physical condition and made it clear that she didn't think it good for me to call again. I should of call twice as often in hind sight.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Marcus Bowden, post: 47533, member: 3287"] The one Creamer "BS" that Hugo mentions and the first owner John Vane is local in the Plympton area and lived across the valley to Pat Wilson, Wilson of the Lawton & Wilson (Southampton). John worked for Pat on more than one occasion as he had M/C shop stocking all-sorts, then had an agency for Bonds & Relient's I think then moved to Roots group cars and use to have my Rap in his air conditioned show rooms as I use to be away 4 to 10 months at a time, John recalls Pat giving instruction for my bike to be taken for a run and this got John wanting a Vincent again, another BS local but passed on a few years later.It was through Pat when invited to the 21st Annual Dinner along with PCV & HRD also other dealers ? that on the Sunday morning breakfast Pat invited PCV over to have breakfast with him which he did enquiring how he was returning home, he said "by train" Pat took him home after treating both of us to lunch at Ketteners ( nice restaurant in London), their discussion over the pros & cons of gear or chain drive I recall as Pat had already told me of his TRIALS Flash as it had been stolen from his Emerdon Mine lock up warehouse, few years later police recovered it and he gave it to me along another early twin motor, chain driven timing side 500, half time pinion was made with a double sprocket and cam and mag had double sized matching sprockets, wish I new how to put a picture on here. that was 1969 and my visits to No 7 apartment started and PCV was always so enthusiastic to tell me the latest development on his rotary engine, my visits stopped in 1972 after his first stroke as Elfreda was I think a little embarrassed with PCV physical condition and made it clear that she didn't think it good for me to call again. I should of call twice as often in hind sight. [/QUOTE]
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