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Bonhams Bond Street Sale


John Oakes

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Hi All

I have seen that there is a very nice 1949 Black Shadow coming up for sale at the upcoming Bonhams sale on Dec 2nd.

It looks top notch and that is reflected in the estimate of £80 - 120K

Can anyone confirm that as an early series C bike it is correct in having the series B type straight seat lugs on the RFM?
 

vin998

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Yes John, it is correct that some of the early series C machines had the straight seat lugs.

I have said this before that a lot of changes in 1949 were nothing to do with the introduction of series C and were just general improvements introduced by the Vincent factory across both series B & C. So there is no such thing as a series B or series C RFM as both series used all 3 types (yes that is 3 type) of RFM used in 1949.

Simon Dinsdale
 
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John Oakes

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Thats great to know - Thanks Simon.

Im interested in bidding on this bike and just wanted to check up on a few things first!
 

david bowen

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There is a similar one in the Late J S. collection that I had restored for him in the UK seven years back, I was told at the time there were only about 30 of this spec, be interesting to check the length of the RFM
 

peter holmes

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Well it certainly looks very pretty, I note that it has been "restored to 1949 Earls Court London Motorcycle Show specification" by a Mr Andrew Kenningley of Southport, I assume related in some way to David Kenningley also of Southport, who trades under the name of "Vincent Motorcycles Ltd". Other than the fact that the rebuilt bike looks OK, much the same as any other Vincent that has been sent to the chromium platers, powder coaters and polishers, but does anyone know what the rebuilt bike is like under the glitter. It would be good know as David Kenningley lists one of his businesses as Motorcycle Trader, so one would presume there could be a few more coming onto the market with passage of time.
 

david bowen

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At Vincents in the 49 50s we had a Black Shadow on road test with one of the Mags of the days, they complained it vibrated , so it came back to Stevenage and a new engine was fitted, PEI, claimed it was a clash of torrance's + and - never mixes.
 

vibrac

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At Vincents in the 49 50s we had a Black Shadow on road test with one of the Mags of the days, they complained it vibrated , so it came back to Stevenage and a new engine was fitted, PEI, claimed it was a clash of torrance's + and - never mixes.
Another original non matching numbers machine Bonhams denizens wont like that:cool:
 

david bowen

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Just had a call from a Norvin owner not a member that reads the forum to tell me there are two one owner Comets in South Australia, one did not take the lid of the engine until 92,000 miles, the owner taught at a Tech college until he retired!
 

david bowen

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Tony Rose was a private Detective, he use to pop into Vincent's at least once a week on his journeys to and from London and Scotland, he survive on Mrs Leggett's Vincent Canteen tea and Shepherd's pie.
 

david bowen

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Tim, all the Vincent Press bikes were registered in Hertfordshire in Vincent HRD name, and after press finished with them were sold of to Vincent dealers, Conways were the biggest buyers
 

Albervin

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Hi All

I have seen that there is a very nice 1949 Black Shadow coming up for sale at the upcoming Bonhams sale on Dec 2nd.

It looks top notch and that is reflected in the estimate of £80 - 120K

Can anyone confirm that as an early series C bike it is correct in having the series B type straight seat lugs on the RFM?
For that price it would need a guarantee which you do not get at auction. I bought a very similar Shadow (HRD, straight seat lugs etc) in poor cosmetic condition, all matching numbers (including
the covers) that easily cruised on 90mph while I was in the UK. Unfortunately the lower valve guides were shot so oil and smoke were dispersed. I paid £53K which gives a lot of
room for "fettling" if this bike even gets mid estimate. If you are serious about a Shadow then my advice to you John is join the club and find a well known, well used and well maintained example.
It may need some "fettling" but it will still end up cheaper for you and more satisfying for the vendor. Remember the auction mantra: buyer pays more and vendor receives less. Auction houses are like casinos; they win and you lose. There is a very nice non-matching numbers Shadow (Shadow UFM and Shadow RFM match) in Australia for sale at AUD$105,000.
 

Albervin

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OMG. Look who the vendor is. He of White Shadow fame!?!?!
was purchased by the vendor, a former treasurer of the VOC,
No, I did not use my position to further my bank account! LOL.
Of course, I may be wrong, again.
 
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greg brillus

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Better still, You could hire me to fly around the world, check out if these bikes are any good, or not...............For a small fee of course...............Sound like a silly idea................When you consider the rate of poor machines out there, it would be money well spent.
 

Trickymicky

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I see that the Shadow mentioned at the start of this thread is up for auction again by H and H next week.

They have billed it as a great investment bike. It sold for £119,100 in Dec 2017, so it will be interesting to see if that proves to be the case for the vendor.
 

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