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Another winner from Stevenage

Tom Gaynor

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VOC Member
Bemused of Aberdeen

Lewis Hamilton is a member of VOC? Ownership and enthusiasm for Nortons (OK, Manx Nortons. The pushrod ones, Commando apart, I can take or leave alone, except possibly John Earnshaw's single speed flat tanker, an absolute flying machine) are not welcome? What's going on here? I think we should be told.
 

Tom Gaynor

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Stevenage

I don't really see why my initial post should have caused any confusion, but just in case, here it is in plain speech. "Lewis Hamilton comes from Stevenage, where Vincents were made." If there was a sub-text, it might be "Now isn't that mildly interesting?".

What I did find confusing were the responses, whence my second post. I don't care if people want to discuss Nortons or any other bike. Jtan has occasional bursts of "this is a Vincent forum and nothing except Vincents should ever be discussed" and I find that boring. I also think it can be counter-productive, particularly when discussing electrical problems (not my best subject) where the symptoms and causes are common to many different bikes.

Tom, please correct me if I am wrong but you appear to have started a thread about Stevenage, but your real point appeared to be about Lewis Hamilton.

Now in my wildest dreams I did not envisage anyone would actually ‘think’ I was expecting Lewis to read my post in person. Now to make this clear, and no longer open to such ridiculous misunderstanding, my intention was just to let fellow VOC members know that I congratulate Lewis for his achievement. Other members could have responded in a positive manner but perhaps the result in question was not the one they hoped for? I think there has been a lot of negativity about Lewis, and this was addressed by Stirling Moss on last night's News at Ten.

Perhaps in the cold light of day there is no relevance with my post to this site, so thank you Tom for laying the foundation that started it.

Therefore, as there is no relevance for it here, then surely there is also no relevance to Norton motorcycles, unless they are powered by Vincent engines?

Having said that, and as you know from our past private correspondence, I am a huge Norton fan. But I do know I do not have to visit this site to read about them.
 

Tnecniv Edipar

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This was in part probably due to Lewis having previously run into the back of him in the pit lane, which has to be one of the biggest blunders ever.

Just one of many Hamilton incidents. As you say , Kimi is amongst the best talent in F1 today and an infinitely better sportsman than Hamilton.
 

Tom Gaynor

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VOC Member
Racing

I fundamentally disagree with these arguments. I race, and I have pursued championships. I won my last championship when, left on the line with no second gear, I set off in what seemed a hopeless pursuit. But my rival, by now in sight but out of reach, had his bike die when his air filters took in so much water (it was VERY wet) that his bike drowned on the last lap but one.
The year before all I had to do was finish the last race in the points and the championship was mine. My big-end let go in practice. I was runner-up.
Sh*t happens.
What I thought was fantastic was that Timo Glock's last three laps were 1.18, 1.28, and 1.44, and the MacLaren team could see he was in trouble, watching him come in (to Lewis) on GPS. WOW! That's taking it to the wire.
As Massa said, you have to know how to win, and how to lose. That's racing. All of these guys are SO close in ability you couldn't get a cigarette paper between them, but this year Massa and Hamilton were within ONE point of one another, with Kimi 20 points behind.
There's another thing: I may be fast, but Phil Read, now 123 years old, and against whom I raced this year, is faster. And he always will be. It's the way the cards were dealt. Read's bad fortune was that he was a contemporary of Hailwood, who was faster still. I think Lewis is holding the hand Clark, Senna, and Schumacher were dealt.
Feel free to point this out to me if he goes tits-up next year.
 

david bowen

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Non-VOC Member
champs motor sport

Lewis comes from Tewin nr Stevenage look back in history 500cc racing world champ Tommy Bridges come from Tewin as well most be the water
 

nkt267

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VOC Member
This was in part probably due to Lewis having previously run into the back of him in the pit lane, which has to be one of the biggest blunders ever.
I've been waiting ever since for the ad:-
Should have gone to S***S*v*rs.
 

DennisVelo

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Non-VOC Member
...which is where Lewis Hamilton comes from.
Lewis may come from Stevenage But as soon as he started to make any money he took of for Switzerland to escape paying British taxes . Very patriotic of him . Massa should have won. He won more Grand Prix and did not have Toyota's help in the last race
 

Tom Gaynor

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VOC Member
Lewis

Anyone who has any sense would have done the same. Or do you think Whitehall are going to squander your taxes for the benefit of the population at large instead of investing them in quangos and Trident submarines? Get real.
Unfortunately for Massa, the title is decided not on who wins most Grands Prix, but on who has most points. This would be unusual, if it were not the system that has been in place in F1 for several decades, and, believe it or not, is exactly the system used in every other motor sport championship I know of.
My own view is that indeed Lewis is not as good as Massa. Unfortunately for Felipe however, Lewis IS as good as Clark, Senna and Schumacher (and Enders, Hailwood, and Rossi), and Felipe probably knows that his best chance to win a championship has been missed. From now on he'll be Phil Read to Lewis's Mike Hailwood.
There's an interview with Rossi in Motor Sport. He explains that he turned down an F1 drive with Ferrari because he got a bigger kick out of bikes. Cars were too easy. Even Hamiliton must be breathing easier after that decision...

Lewis may come from Stevenage But as soon as he started to make any money he took of for Switzerland to escape paying British taxes . Very patriotic of him . Massa should have won. He won more Grand Prix and did not have Toyota's help in the last race
 
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