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PR: Proprietary Items Ammeter

Albervin

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Could you knowledgable folk tell me the correct ammeter for a 1949 Series C machine. I have several but I bet I do not have one correct for this period. The bike is a mixture of B and C (all correct) so the ancillaries could be almost anything available. While I am at it maybe the headlight lens was not a plain flute? The bike is not going to be concourse but I would like it to look correct.
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vin998

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Most probably this one. Don't forget Vincent basically fitted whatever Miller delivered that day as seen with the 8" & 6.5" Miller headlights in 1948.
The headlight shell, lens, ammeter switch and wiring loom all came into the factory as one assembled item and Vincent then just fitted the lot in one go to a bike. The Vincent factory didn't select the ammeter or fit it to the headlight shell.
 

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Albervin

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Thanks Simon. That is the one I have on my 1948 Rapide. I wasn't sure if it was still current in mid 1949. And yes, I do not have a spare one.
 

TouringComet

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Would that same ammeter have been commonly supplied by Miller in late 1952?
 

Albervin

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My inclination is no. The very early Lighthouse items from Series A Singles have appeared on 1946 Vincents. Then the No. 75. When the Series C hit its straps it seemed it was the white face No. 75 No. 832 was the main ammeter from 1950.
 

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I am pretty sure mine came with that style, and the near showroom original Bob Chantland bike, only a few numbers apart, has that style. Exceptions, or still the norm at that time?

(edited) Sorry, forgot to mention, both of those bikes were built late 1952.
 
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TouringComet

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Here is an earlier discussion. I thought the lighthouse version was early, and the 75v wording was later, but who knows when the transition occurred.

 

Albervin

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Steve, the Lighthouse was certainly pre-war on the singles. The twins used Lucas electrics. Never seen an 832 (as opposed to No75- 832) on a pre-war machine. As I don't have a Series A anymore I cannot verify the face. 1946 and early 1947 machines had Lighthouse and No. 75 with wording. I have no idea if and when there was a transition. Totally up to Miller. However, I doubt there was a Lighthouse unit fitted originally to a 1948 model. I will stand corrected by Simon and Jacqueline but I doubt a No 75 with wording was fitted after 1950. Velocettes used similar electrics and they have a similar cut-off for these. The confusion seems to be 832 as this appears on pre-war and post war ammeters. It would be nice if the VOC spares company could have the faces made. Hint. Hint.......
 

vin998

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The Lighthouse ammeter is definitely used on series A singles and I have also seen it on early series B machines from 1946 and 1947 and may have been used even later. I have several Miller parts catalogues from somewhere and will try and find them.
 

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Maybe the ammeters on the batch of bikes I am referring to, built in late 1952, are an anomaly. That batch also had solid Bowden clutch and brake levers.
 

Albervin

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Maybe the ammeters on the batch of bikes I am referring to, built in late 1952, are an anomaly. That batch also had solid Bowden clutch and brake levers.
Now THAT is weird. My B has Bowden twin choke levers and Amal clutch, valve lifter and brake levers. I thought Series C had Amal clutch and brake levers, Amal choke levers and Bowden valve lifter.I have never heard of post war bikes with solid clutch and brake levers.
 

vin998

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Found two Miller spares parts books.

The first is dated 1939 and shows a lighthouse ammeter in the sketch of parts with the part number 832 in the list and this is fitted to all the various 8" headlight unit assemblies Miller listed.

The second parts book is dated 1954 and under the HRD section it lists the ammeter as 75V/832. This sort of indicates either 75V or 832 was used and probably Miller supplied whatever they had in stock at the time.

Simon
 

Albervin

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I am pretty sure mine came with that style, and the near showroom original Bob Chantland bike, only a few numbers apart, has that style. Exceptions, or still the norm at that time?

(edited) Sorry, forgot to mention, both of those bikes were built late 1952.
Steve, look more closely at the pictures in my post. The ammeter screws are hidden and the amp lines are heavy block. Never seen that before.
 

vin998

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Steve, look more closely at the pictures in my post. The ammeter screws are hidden and the amp lines are heavy block. Never seen that before.
Also if you look the discharge is to the right on the eBay ammeter which is not something I have ever seen on an original which should have the discharge to the left.
 

TouringComet

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Sorry, when I said “that style”, I was referring to the one in Simon’s post #2.
 

Shane998

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Pic of the 2 lighthouse ammeters I have and even they are each different in the scale The discharge is to the left As on the other pic of my other ammeters As to the one on eBay I have seen ammeters with no screws or Philips head screws which I thought were the new ones available from VOC spares and elsewhere
 

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