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Scam? 1952 Vincent HRD Lightning



Albervin

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Don't think so. This has been mentioned on the FB page. Someone with high expectations I think. I have seen a genuine Monthlery tank and this one doesn't quite look right. Tell him he's dreaming and offer £38,000.
 

davidd

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The description is worded so oddly that it seems clear that they are dancing very fast around the fact that it is not a "1C" numbered Black Lightning. I believe that they are saying that it was built to Lightning type specs with all the parts that Peter Davrill collected.

The tank looks like those modified to get a little more fuel by amateur road racers. You would drill some holes in the original tank near the bottom front of both sides and then weld on "side pods" to hold the extra fuel. I don't think it is a "factory done" tank and I suspect it does not hold enough extra fuel to have been useful at Montlhery.

David
 

peter holmes

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I don’t think they are trying that hard to pass it off as genuine, they actually state in the description that here is an opportunity to purchase a Vincent Black Lightning at a fraction of the cost of a genuine one, I tend to agree with Alyn, but I think £38k might be little on the lean side, perhaps £40k
 

vibrac

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I recognise that tank I advertised for an old tank at Burleigh aj that I could cut up for racing and got this tank covered in blue hamerite I stripped it and found it was a series c tank with a series A tank neatly fitted on the outside complete with tapped holes for the kneepads and traces of chrome too nice to destroy I did a piece for MPH with photos (que Graham) I got it painted up in black n gold put it on my alphabet twin it stuffed the steering lock and worst of all made the bike look like that arch bitsa a Brought Superior. I took it to founders day and got £400 within an hour it was on another stall for £700
good riddance I said
 

peter holmes

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What I fail to understand with these adverts is the level of intrigue and secrecy involved, this particular machine was apparently commissioned by Peter Darvill and the work undertaken by two Vincent engineers, if they were well known and respected I would shout their names from the rooftops, there was another Lightning replica continuously being advertised on Ebay recently that never made the reserve price, that bike was apparently built by one of the respected Vincent specialists, but again, despite screeds of nonsense text the builders name was cloaked in secrecy, but why, surely the U.S.P. must be how good and well respected the builder of the machine was, Godet, Maughan or Dunn would all be great incentives to purchase, Hackitt and Weld perhaps not so tempting.
 

Albervin

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The description is worded so oddly that it seems clear that they are dancing very fast around the fact that it is not a "1C" numbered Black Lightning. I believe that they are saying that it was built to Lightning type specs with all the parts that Peter Davrill collected.

The tank looks like those modified to get a little more fuel by amateur road racers. You would drill some holes in the original tank near the bottom front of both sides and then weld on "side pods" to hold the extra fuel. I don't think it is a "factory done" tank and I suspect it does not hold enough extra fuel to have been useful at Montlhery.

David
I have seen a genuine Monlhery Shadow and this tank is not even close. I am guessing he thinks the tank is worth £££££££££££££ when it is worth £.
 

vibrac

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I have seen a genuine Monlhery Shadow and this tank is not even close. I am guessing he thinks the tank is worth £££££££££££££ when it is worth £.
Can't remember what I paid for it but I was always skint when I was racing with a family I have a feeling it was around £15
 

greg brillus

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That's why you see these bikes for sale for such a long time......... The buyers are actually getting smarter and not just rushing in like they did a few years back. If you forget the engine internals of which the parts for and availability is far better now than years ago, what possible external features could make it so valuable.............genuine Amal TT carb's..........genuine KVF-TT mag. So what else is there parts wise that is worth so much...........?
 

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