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1952 Black Shadow for sale

cord810

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I am the current owner of 1952 Vincent Black Shadow ser# F10AB1B8667, this bike was totally restored by Lincoln Beard in the mid-80s sorted completely and then gas removed and tank cleaned and sealed, stored indoors in a heated and air conditioned envoirnment since. Beard who I am told was/is a very well respected expert Vincent restorer in this area of the country (USA,central Ohio), and used ALL NOS parts from the Vincent dealers John and Harry Bellville of Marysville Ohio in the total nut and bolt restoration of this Shadow.
The bike was inspected recently by the Director of the American Motorcycle Association Museum, located here in Central Ohio, and ALL serial numbers are correct for all components.
I have decided tosell this Shadow, and will entertain offers in the +/- 100k range.
Michael S. Smith
cord810@earthlink.net
 

plasticbeer

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The bike was inspected recently by the Director of the American Motorcycle Association Museum, located here in Central Ohio, and ALL serial numbers are correct for all components.

How does he know they are correct, has he got the factory records?
 
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bmetcalf

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How does he know they are correct, has he got the factory records?

Probably has the ultra-secret "1900" key. Of course, Beard could have corresponded with the Machine Registrar and done a very thorough job. Somer Hooker advises that the fellow did visit the Belleville emporium for parts a lot. (Belleville bought out Indian's Vincent stock.)

A friend's very nice B Rap dropped quite a number of points after being judged in two successive years by the AMCA, because the judge had read up over the winter, but had a superficial knowledge of what is "correct".
 

Howard

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Might be best if the AMA museum bought it. I for one would be loath to use it without stripping the engine, that's a lot of money for a motorcycle that's been standing for 25 years.
 

CollingsBob

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I would like very much to know what differentiates this machine from the one that the AMA raffled off last year..that one was rebuilt by the best there are..and sold for approximately $77,000.00 U.S..
 

Bracker1

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The 100k is still a better investment than the Mutual Frauds I had. I lost more than my share in the collapse of the stock market, but my Vincent seems to have appreciated. Plus, I get to enjoy the investment, rather than see my money squandered by banks, etc. Wish I had the cash, the bike sounds pretty nice. Hopefully new owner will ride, but at that number I fear another museum piece. Safe riding, Dan
 

peterg

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..touring configuration

Howdy Bob,

It's a culture thing over here. Just as a true (valuable) Porsche is powered by an air cooled opposed piston motor, regardless of the merits of any of the waterpumpers produced over the years, a Vin - and especially a Black Shadow with such sporting pretensions - must have Birmabrights and preferably 20/19's, not the relatively obscure touring configuration.

Viewed this machine for the first time at the Mid Ohio Vin gathering in 98(?) when just completed and it had lost none of its luster in the interim when displayed by the AMA at Daytona in 2008. A very nice machine indeed.
 

CollingsBob

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I have seen many items offered for sale over the years...the value of them is established by the marketplace, not by the seller. As a salesman, I know this all too well. I have no doubt that this is a magnificent machine..the marketplace will be the final arbiter of what its value is..I wish the gentlemen the very best of luck - and I wish there were some photos for us to drool over.
 

Tnecniv Edipar

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Don't quite get your comment. A seller can has an asking price which prospective buyers either pay or don't. They are entitled to make offers which the seller either accepts or doesn't ! However , an auction without reserve would allow the market at that time to decide a price.
 

cord810

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I am the current owner of 1952 Vincent Black Shadow ser# F10AB1B8667, this bike was totally restored by Lincoln Beard in the mid-80s sorted completely and then gas removed and tank cleaned and sealed, stored indoors in a heated and air conditioned envoirnment since. Beard who I am told was/is a very well respected expert Vincent restorer in this area of the country (USA,central Ohio), and used ALL NOS parts from the Vincent dealers John and Harry Bellville of Marysville Ohio in the total nut and bolt restoration of this Shadow.
The bike was inspected recently by the Director of the American Motorcycle Association Museum, located here in Central Ohio, and ALL serial numbers are correct for all components.
I have decided tosell this Shadow, and will entertain offers in the +/- 100k range.
Michael S. Smith
cord810@earthlink.net

This is not the bike that was raffled off by AMA, this bike has not been seen in public since 1986
 

Howard

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This is not the bike that was raffled off by AMA, this bike has not been seen in public since 1986


I thought this was a Motorcycle Club, not somewhere for people to display their investment portfolio !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's a motorcycle FGS - if it's as good as you say, it should be burning tarmac. Sell it and buy some Pork Belly shares or whatever they're called !!!!!!!
 

bsaowner

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I agree, the thing about vincents is that, despite their age, they are quite capable of being used on todays roads and (assuming that the bike is in good shape) they are quite fast and fun to ride. So why not ride the damn thing! The bike has been restored so it's not like there is a hope of preserving the original factory patina, paint and parts can be replaced as long as their is enough demand for parts to be made. I for one am thankful that all these parts are available because my shadow really needed a lot of them, and for that i really have thank all the people who ride and restore their bikes and generate a need for parts, and of course the people who actually get them made, kemps, voc spares co et al.
we will see what happens.
 

CollingsBob

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Mr. Cord810..I am well aware that yours is not the bike that was raffled off..I sat on that one just a few weeks ago..my point was - and it is a moot point anyhow..how does one quantify the differences between that bike and yours?..and then arrive at a dollar value greater than what the raffled bike sold for?
This is a philosophical question, nothing more.
 

cord810

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Shadow on Ebay

Mr. Cord810..I am well aware that yours is not the bike that was raffled off..I sat on that one just a few weeks ago..my point was - and it is a moot point anyhow..how does one quantify the differences between that bike and yours?..and then arrive at a dollar value greater than what the raffled bike sold for?
This is a philosophical question, nothing more.

The only basis I had for valuation was that in Noember of last year a Shadow described almost EXACTLY like mine sold for 85k I was not aware of any other sales. All I wish to do is sell the bike onto someone else to enjoy, at fair market value.
 

mercurycrest

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Hey, I'm an "FDR baby" and my aunt's huband's brother.... I always heard him referd to as "Uncle Harry" was a very rich man who formed HAL Oil Company in Utah... He did well until he crossed swords with Standard Oil. He was killed in a traffic accident in 1950. Anyway, long story short.. Uncle Harry had Cords and when I was about 12, his Daughter, Joy Larsen, gave me a test drive in her inherited 1937 Cord (yeah, I got to drive it.. a 12 year old could get a license to drive farm equiptment in Utah, so I was pretty adept at what to do)! So here I am over 50 years later, times are tough and thinking... Hmmm, Would I sell the Vinny or the Cord? NO CONTEST!! Goodby, Vinny! Hell, I'm looking at 2005 Bentleys and trying to figure which of my Vincents to unload to buy one, but my petrified brain is saying:" How do you plan on keeping it on the road at 190+ miles per hour you senile old fart... Keep your slow Lincoln stupid!!"
I hope he sells his Vincent for $200,000, that means that Bentley is even cheaper to me.. and to hell with my brain!:D
 

Howard

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The only basis I had for valuation was that in Noember of last year a Shadow described almost EXACTLY like mine sold for 85k I was not aware of any other sales. All I wish to do is sell the bike onto someone else to enjoy, at fair market value.

At 85/100 k this is not going to go to a motorcyclist "to enjoy", just another invester!!

It's the riders of Vincents who've kept the reputation and myths alive so that your investment is valuable, and in return you price your example of the marque out of reach of them.

Had you ridden it, or even trailered it to rallies I may be more understanding.
 

Tnecniv Edipar

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Those myths and legends are partially responsible for increasing the mystique and desirability of the Vincent. Don't forget that this machine was the fastest most notable bike of it's time and created a significant place in history for itself. Consequently they will continue to appreciate ever higher in value and many will be priced out of the market , a fact of life.
This applies to many other marques and models , bikes and cars.
I'm priced out of the Bugatti market but I'm not bitter towards those that have the means even if they want to sit and look rather than use.
Actually it makes me proud that the object of our desires warrants such attention and appreciation.
 

Albervin

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Whoa! Are we talking $100K or £100K ?? There are plenty of Shadows selling for near $100K & this may be worth that BUT £100K I think not. :rolleyes:
 

Bracker1

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Itis tough to place value when the present market has such extreme high's and lows. I think the well restored machines deserve their high numbers. Let the buyer decide if it's too much. Personally, I would like a well running rider for the road, and a pretty one for the living room. The best of both worlds. It would be nice if the bike runs as good as it looks. I had a chance to hear the Vincati, thanks to Sid Biberman, and it truly was/is a work of art. That bike is priceless. Cheers, Dan
 

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