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I have been wondering how those brakes constructed and adjusted
Vincent Grey Flash Patrick Godet
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I have been wondering how those brakes constructed and adjusted
I am not sure why "America" came up in the rules as Patrick has never run here. In fact, I have always been a big supporter of the effort despite the fact that I know of no the rules of any organization here under which the new bike could run. It could possibly be allowed in Premier 500 in AHRMA along with the new Manx, Gold Star, etc., but the bike, as is, would never be allowed in Class C, which is the original AMA road racing class in which the Flash raced in 1950. This is the class that all the single Vincents here run in.
For anyone building a race bike the rules are the first and last consideration. I often think that I have spent as much time reading the rules as I have competing. I am sure that Patrick has done this. I just don't know what the target sanctioning body is or their rules. Of course, spending all that effort does not guarantee that you will not be protested.
There is a rule in AHRMA Vintage that you have to have two rear shock absorbers. The only exception is the Vincent!
David
For anyone building a race bike the rules are the first and last consideration. I often think that I have spent as much time reading the rules as I have competing. I am sure that Patrick has done this. I just don't know what the target sanctioning body is or their rules. Of course, spending all that effort does not guarantee that you will not be protested.
There is a rule in AHRMA Vintage that you have to have two rear shock absorbers. The only exception is the Vincent!
David
Sadly Ed I think that figure is 50% optimistic the basic trouble and this applies to many classes in Historic Racing there is no clear definition of classes when multi class races occur. either different numberplate colours or bibs should be evident, running bikes with 50 years difference in age in the same race or double the capacity with commentators who seem completely oblivious to the fact that up to 3 separate contests are running at the same time spoils it for all.
I guess this is like the Horners HRD at Goodwood racing against 500 Manx's and the like. In the UK do you have new built Manx's of today racing against original Manx's....? If so, this is the same here in Australia.......this seems almost a ridiculous scenario. A bit like my racer competing against another twin with an Irving Vincent engine in it. They might look the same....but how am I ever going to get 145 HP from an original Vincent engine. Aren't some of these modern Manx's pushing over 70 plus HP now......? I guess like all racing, it depends on how deep your pockets are.
Yes Greg, not only are they racing against original Manx's, but as they are allowed to enter any higher cc/year race they wish, they now hold almost all the lap records.. a "Manx Norton" (with its 4 valve engine built last week, and its Honda CBR600 fork internals) even holds the record in the over 500cc class to 1972.. Why do i bother?
I had a Manx back in the 60's and I live not far from Leighton Buzzard where dwelt Sid Mularney he was my engine man and I also knew a couple of racers who worked for him and others who used him, Yes he developed the 4 valve Manx but to the best of my knowledge he never got it right during the sixties but it was developed later if they allow that then they should allow Tommos 4 valve Vincent single after all that was built to Phils drawings,
I'm afraid all that Lansdown series and other events are a very discreet closed shop
The thing that caught my eye in pictures 3 & 4 was the toe of his left boot. It proves that he has been trying!!!
Brian.
Brian.
I agree with your sentiments. However, have you considered that this 'Manx' racer has direct and lineal connection with the first Norton-engined machines of 1908. That's over a century!
The most potent Vincent single racer I have heard of was the one owned by Ian Boyd here in Australia. It's engine built at HUGE cost by non other than John Trease, the same chap who built the Harley sportster engined Featherbed racer, that is in the same unlimited class that I run in, and is basically unbeatable. Although I'm sure the Horners could give him a good run, but not using a standard 1000 cc engine. I think Ian's single had around 62 HP but the work and mods done to the engine were quite remarkable. I asked John if he would ever do that work again, to which he replied....."NO".....way too time consuming. I guess if we all wanted to win we would all buy a new Manx.........but really where is the fun in that. I'm sure it applies to most forms of racing to some extent. At the end of the day, any of our Vincent's may not be that competitive on the tracks anymore, but many other bikes suffer the same problem as well. I think it is definitely worth while though, because it is still great to still have them out on the track....I know fellow Vincent riders and the general public get a big thrill from it.....To me, that makes it worth all the while.
62 BHP, if reliable, and with the right rider could win the Classic TT, now that would be special.